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| | Fabien B
Posts 23 01 Aug 2020 15:47
| 4 August 4PM CET
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| | Olaf Schoenweiss
Posts 690 03 Aug 2020 10:29
| Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms.
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| | Jamie Chapman
Posts 69 03 Aug 2020 10:34
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Jamie Chapman wrote:
| Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS |
In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious. Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit. Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem.
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Don't want to get into an argument about this, but Amikit do not distribute any files they shouldn't. Any files like this have to be supplied yourself. Even if you are the opinion that cloanto etc should have the rights, they do
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| | Gunnar von Boehn (Apollo Team Member) Posts 6254 03 Aug 2020 11:19
| Jamie Chapman wrote:
| but Amikit do not distribute any files they shouldn't.
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Yes this is my point. While Amikit is nice looking with nice icons, does not try to solve the main problem for the user. The user has the problem to download some illegal kick rom, or copy some kickrom from his old amiga, or pay someone for maybe a pirated rom. As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez. Amikit goes the simple route - they leave the problem to the user. This is no critic to Amikit. Amikit is nice. But its clear that Coffin tries to solve a problem that Amikit avoids. So you can not even compare them.
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| | Tim D
Posts 84 03 Aug 2020 13:37
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez.
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This is not an excuse for Coffin to just include them anyway and act all "innocent"
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| | Gunnar von Boehn (Apollo Team Member) Posts 6254 03 Aug 2020 13:49
| Tim D wrote:
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez. |
This is not an excuse for Coffin to just include them anyway and act all "innocent" |
I don't have the impression that Coffin plays innocent. I have the impression that companies try to benefit from Amiga fans. And that companies benefiting from this are responsible for all this mess. In the light of this legal mess - Coffin appears to me like an Amiga fan selfdefence solution. You can now argue that Robin Hood maybe was morally the good guy. While legally he was a thief. But even if he was a thief, I think everyone likes Robin Hood more than Hyperion.Saying this, our way is not Coffin but Apollo-OS. Because I think only Apollo-OS as legal new OS can solve this.
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| | John William
Posts 570 03 Aug 2020 22:22
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Jamie Chapman wrote:
| Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS |
In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious. Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit. Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem.
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Will Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>. Nothing I own in my V4 is illega. I have a real Amiga 500 with real kickstart 3.1. I simply using that for my V4 but taking the ROM out of my A500 and then poof. I have a legal copy of OS 3.9 and OS 3.5 so AmiKit is taking my OS and patching up from aminet and making it pweaty! So both Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>
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| | Jamie Chapman
Posts 69 04 Aug 2020 12:52
| John William wrote:
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| Jamie Chapman wrote:
| Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS |
In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious. Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit. Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem. |
Will Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>. Nothing I own in my V4 is illega. I have a real Amiga 500 with real kickstart 3.1. I simply using that for my V4 but taking the ROM out of my A500 and then poof. I have a legal copy of OS 3.9 and OS 3.5 so AmiKit is taking my OS and patching up from aminet and making it pweaty! So both Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>
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OS3.9 is another subject and does not relate to either cloanto or Hyperion
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| | Artur Jarosik (Apollo Team Member) Posts 94 04 Aug 2020 21:33
| It's released! EXTERNAL LINK
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| | Eric Gus
Posts 479 04 Aug 2020 21:39
| Does it actually come with a tcpip stack or do you still have to buy something like roadshow at an added cost?
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| | Nik Jackson
Posts 4 04 Aug 2020 22:49
| Nope, comes with the demo version, so you’ll have to purchase the full.
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| | Vladimir Repcak
Posts 359 05 Aug 2020 06:00
| Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
| Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms. |
So, would it work straight out of the box on top of preinstalled AROS in my V4 or would it kinda replace it (by adding those additional OS files they require)?Just trying to figure out the use case here. I must admit I don't fully understand the legal jungle between Cloanto/Hyperion, but I certainly extremely appreciate the full legality of open-source Aros.
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| | Smartroad 78
Posts 116 05 Aug 2020 07:51
| Vladimir Repcak wrote:
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Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
| Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms. |
So, would it work straight out of the box on top of preinstalled AROS in my V4 or would it kinda replace it (by adding those additional OS files they require)? Just trying to figure out the use case here. I must admit I don't fully understand the legal jungle between Cloanto/Hyperion, but I certainly extremely appreciate the full legality of open-source Aros.
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From reading the install guide you'll need an a1200 3.1.x rom on the SD Card
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| | Jamie Chapman
Posts 69 05 Aug 2020 12:56
| Not cheap. Wonder if He will do discounts for people who own other versions
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| | Michal Pietal
Posts 236 05 Aug 2020 19:52
| No cheap? What's cheap then? X1000??
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| | Joe Maroni
Posts 4 05 Aug 2020 20:44
| Coffin OS is cheaper...well..what is better with AmiKit? I thought to buy it but seeing the price for the cheapest solution made me another decision...sorry... something around 20 EUR or so wuld be fair..but 50 EUR ?
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| | Michal Pietal
Posts 236 06 Aug 2020 08:53
| Joe Maroni wrote:
| Coffin OS is cheaper...
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Please name the CoffinOS price then. Let us compare.
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| | Joe Maroni
Posts 4 06 Aug 2020 10:46
| CoffinOS is free
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| | Rod March
Posts 119 06 Aug 2020 13:01
| (I'm late to the party on this, can someone please explain what Amikit is? It seems to be an Amiga emulation environment for PCs... So a port to Vampire would no longer be emulation but just a Workbench distro like ClassicWb or BetterWb (or Coffin)?
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| | Jamie Chapman
Posts 69 06 Aug 2020 13:44
| Rod March wrote:
| (I'm late to the party on this, can someone please explain what Amikit is? It seems to be an Amiga emulation environment for PCs... So a port to Vampire would no longer be emulation but just a Workbench distro like ClassicWb or BetterWb (or Coffin)?
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Yes its a pre-configured system install , with loads of programs etc out of the box. Similar to the chrysalis pack on MorphoS
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