Also when AGA Amigas came out, you wanted AGA games using all colors. Of course those AGA gaves did not run on A500...

Vampire is vastly superior to OCS/ECS/AGA hardware. Faster, more colorful and better audio. It is also soon the only way to get new Amiga hardware (Yeah, I'm waiting for you V4). I wouldn't buy a new Amiga 500/1200 today unless it would be improved a lot. Vampire is just that, the AAA Amiga I wanted 25 years ago and more. Obviously Vampire specific software is high on my wish list and necessary for the platform to continue to evolve. Hopefully if everything works out we might get ASIC one day for even more features and speed. With compability of the best computer ever made. The Amiga!

Who makes these rules?  Calling such software wrong, is probably wrong in itself.

This Vampire hardware is special and offers opportunities which were never available to an Amiga previously.  It pushes the boundaries and allows us to enjoy our Amiga's more in new facinating way.  It allows us to do things with the platform that we couldn't because the hardware just never kept paced, leaving us fans feeling slightly dissapointed and envious.  It isn't wrong to get what you wanted in the end.  Not at all.

Newer software which pushes beyond the limits of our favourite computer will needs to break out of the old mold a little.  Is that true to retro computing?  Maybe not.  Maybe this just pure tinkering with a retro computer as the basis.  But it is a hobby at the end.  You do as you please with your hobbies because it brings you pleasure.  I myself came back to the Amiga because I found the idea of an A500 with a lot more power a very exciting idea.  And it has been a satisfying experience indeed!

How can software/hardware, in this context, be "wrong"?  Engineers are driven largely by curiousity.  Innovation is living the engineer's dream.  I don't see there being anything wrong with a software/hardware engineer doing what he loves.  Especially if is creative, constructive and for the mutual benefit of others.

I salute your sentiment though, in that you don't want to see others excluded or a community divided.  It is in the right spirit.  But the Vampire scene doesn't exist at the exclusion of others.  People are free to buy a Vampire card if they want to join in.  The emulator writers can always add Vampire compatibility at any time.  They are free not to, if they don't like it.  And many choose not to.  Their choice.

Imagine if Amiga users had taken this attitude to software which required an 060?  Or an 040?  Or an 030....I think you get the point.

MartinTomas Steffen wrote:

Damm, dont know how to explain what i want say on english.   I just dont want to give Benzin ⛽️ to this Vampire-haters.

We know what you mean.  Maybe the expression "Give the haters ammunition" is also equivalent.

I wouldn't be surprised if most people felt the same.  I certainly agree.

There are (sadly) quite few tools that are Vamp only, a game,
a demo and a few tools. And there is no reason why one should not be. Loved when ECS-AGA games came by, liked what 040+RTG could pull out even it was out of my pocket reach.

Such negative attitude is simply killing a baby at a birth ...
More software will come with both better V2 and V4 availiability
and more users. First comes the hardware, then it comes to use.

But some more software comes with 020,040 and even 080-MMX versions (Netsurf, Datatypes ...) and such software could help Vamp be better accepted within Amiga community. Problem is, newer m68k backports simply require 040 or better 060 or Vampire, so its even less likely in future.

And what nagsayers will say ... well, is not that important as long as more people are interested in Vampire, then disinterested by lack of few features (like MMU now) or some other desire of "amiga way".

Kef Emzy wrote:

I wouldn't buy a new Amiga 500/1200 today unless it would be improved a lot. Vampire is just that, the AAA Amiga I wanted 25 years ago and more.

Up to 12MB Chip/500MB Fast RAM, 060+ CPU, Advanced AGA/RTG, USB, network, SDCard ... as standard? Gimme more :) Its much more AAA ever desired to be.

It isn't just the demo scene.  This allergy is widespread.  Just start a thread at amiga.org with "vampire" in the title.  It is like taking a globe to a Flat Earth convention.

At the end, these people made up their minds long ago.  Trying to convince them otherwise is an exercise in pure futility.

Making datatypes and other libraries that do the same is the right approach imo. Otherwise devs can just include a 040/060 and 080 version of their game/software. It's not that big of a deal. They already do that.

However, some stuff is just way too demanding for 040/060, then Vampire "exclusive" software makes sense, since you wouldn't be able to run it on anything else anyway.

Exactly. Beyond 060 (or Pentium) should be "name of the game".