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Apollo Team Announces the Vampire V4page  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 

Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
04 Aug 2017 05:43


@Thomas Blatt
 
Yes, the laptop possibility is getting closer with the V4! :)


Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
04 Aug 2017 06:23


Have the instruction or data cache sizes been improved in the V4 design?




Henryk Richter
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 128/ 1
04 Aug 2017 07:08


gregthe canuck wrote:

  The Cyclone V has a triple speed Ethernet controller (TSEC). That means 10/100/1000 support. This is assuming all 3 speeds are enabled by the Apollo core.

That's depending on the model. There is a myriad of variants of the Cyclone5 on sale. The particular model on the V4 doesn't include GbE. The V4 has a 10/100 PHY on board.


Ian Parsons

Posts 226
04 Aug 2017 07:57


What is the Ethernet driver situation like, any info yet?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5482
04 Aug 2017 08:35


gregthe canuck wrote:

  Have the instruction or data cache sizes been improved in the V4 design?
 

 
The V1 did had Icache=4KB , DCache=4KB
 
The V2 did had Icache=16KB , DCache=32KB
 
For the V4 we plan those configs which we already tested:
Icache=32KB , DCache=64KB
Icache=32KB , DCache=128KB
 
If you look careful in the recent benchmarks then you might also find a results for this configuration.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
04 Aug 2017 09:04


David Wright wrote:

  1200 version is the last to be released. My understanding is that is was next in queue.
 

 
  I ve got some partial answers on FB. It answers multiply questions, including production, CPU Mhz (yes, V4 is VampireNG from recent Riva tests) and some user complaints on no-v4000 and "Vampire milking"
 
 
  English translation
 
  Stéphane Pitteloud
  Translated from French
  Hello to all, so in order: 1. for the name "v4", actually the current cards (Vampire 600 and vampire 500 +) are the v3. the v2 is the version for 600 with Only 64 mb of ram and without SD Connector, version ever marketed and used as the basis for la is why the new card is called "V4". 2. for the price, we have not yet defined it Finally, there is still information to be received on our side for large volumes of fpga and for assembly. The Assembly is made in Germany by a society company in Electronics. It will be a little more expensive than the v500+, but not in huge proportions. 3. Actually, for now no model for 3000/4000. every thing in its time :-) 4. The 080 will be cadencé at least At 92 Mhz, against a minimum of 78 Mhz for current v3. 5. People who supported the project continue to be able to use le and v500+ without worries, and can continue to do so with the next updates of the core. It was never said that the v3 support would be arrétait with the presentation of the v4, thanks for not telling anything. The De10-Nano is a map produced on a much larger scale than the v4.. It should not be thought further to understand why the price is not the same: the v4 has been completely designated by the team (Ceaich to any fact, from A to z). The production of the map will be made in Germany. The certification of this body and cris also adds a few euros in the balance. Claiming that there are huge margins is simply wrong. I suggest you sell your vampire v3 that you received free of charge in exchange for yours which was yet 3TH HAND AND DEFFECTUEUSE (exchange assumed by majsta to make his client happy) at 300 euros, so you Will make the margin and you can buy a-Nano Replacement :-) when at the phrase "only a year between the v2 and the v4, we are milk cows", it is also obviously false: the announcement Yesterday is an announcement, the card is not yet available. The V2 was announced on March 20, 2015 by majsta on amibay for pre-orders. Everyone wanted to professionnalisation production to increase the number of cards. Now that it's done, it's wrong to cry because the price increases. A serial production in Germany with a more expensive fpga can under no circumstances be at the same price as hand-crafted production in Serbia. 5. The post of vojin is eloquent: the stand will not cost more than the pack OS + Drivers 2 D and 3 D + Enhancer Pack in the world ng, while ng machines are much more expensive. It's all relative.
 
  Original French text
 
  Stéphane Pitteloud Hello à tous, alors dans l'ordre : 1. pour la dénomination "V4", en fait les cartes actuelles (Vampire 600 et Vampire 500+) sont les V3. La V2 est la version pour 600 avec seulement 64 MB de RAM et sans connecteur SD, version jamais commercialisée et qui a servi de base à la V3. Voila pourquoi la nouvelle carte s'appelle "V4". 2. Pour le prix, nous ne l'avons pas encore défini définitivement, il reste encore des informations à reçevoir de notre côté pour les gros volumes de FPGA et pour l'assemblage. L'assemblage se fait en Allemagne par une société reconue dans l'électronique. Elle sera un peu plus chère que la V500+, mais pas dans des proportions énormes. 3. Effectivement, pour l'instant pas de modèle pour 3000/4000. Chaque chose en son temps :-) 4. Le 080 sera cadencé au minimum à 92 Mhz, contre un minimum de 78 Mhz pour les V3 actuelles. 5. Les gens qui ont soutenu le projet continue de pouvoir utiliser le V600 et V500+ sans soucis, et pourront continuer de le faire avec les prochaines updates du core. Il n'a jamais été dit que le support des V3 s'arrétait avec la présentation de la V4, merci de ne pas raconter n'importe quoi. La DE10-NANO est une carte produite à bien plus grande échelle que la V4. Il ne faut pas réfléchir plus loin pour comprendre pourquoi le prix n'est pas le même : la V4 a été complêtement désignée par la Team (Ceaich à tout fait, de A à Z). La fabrication de la carte va se faire en Allemagne. La certification CE réclamée à corps et à cris ajoute aussi quelques Euros dans la balance. Prétendre que l'on fait des marges énormes est tout simplement faux. Je te suggère de revendre ta Vampire v3 que tu as reçu gratuitement en échange de la tienne qui était pourtant de 3ème main et deffectueuse (échange assumé par Majsta pour faire plaisir à son client) à 300 Euros, comme ça tu auras fais de la marge et tu pourras acheter une DE10-NANO en remplacement :-) Quand à la phrase "seulement une année entre la V2 et la V4, nous sommes des vaches à lait", elle est aussi bien évidemment fausse : l'annonce d'hier est une ANNONCE, la carte n'est pas encore disponible. La V2 a été annoncée le 20 mars 2015 par Majsta sur Amibay pour les précommandes. Toute le monde voulait une professionnalisation de la production pour augmenter le nombre de cartes. Maintenant que c'est fait, il est malvenu de pleurer parce que le prix augmente. Une fabrication en série en allemagne avec un FPGA plus cher ne peut en aucun cas être au même prix qu'une production artisanale à la main en Serbie. 5. Le post de Vojin est éloquent : la standalone ne coutera pas plus cher que le pack OS + drivers 2D et 3D + enhancer pack dans le monde NG, tandis que les Machines NG elle coûtent bien plus cher. Tout est relatif.

Source: Facebook EXTERNAL LINK 
Not really reliable, but gives some insight.


Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
04 Aug 2017 09:08


Henryk Richter wrote:

gregthe canuck wrote:

  The Cyclone V has a triple speed Ethernet controller (TSEC). That means 10/100/1000 support. This is assuming all 3 speeds are enabled by the Apollo core.
 

  That's depending on the model. There is a myriad of variants of the Cyclone5 on sale. The particular model on the V4 doesn't include GbE. The V4 has a 10/100 PHY on board.

My bad. It is quite hard to tell from reading the datasheets what is included in the "E" series. Thanks for the info. :)


Thellier Alain

Posts 126
04 Aug 2017 09:12


Hello

Congratulations to all the Team :-)
For sure I will buy a standalone as soon as available

Alain Thellier


Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
04 Aug 2017 09:18


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

gregthe canuck wrote:

  Have the instruction or data cache sizes been improved in the V4 design?
 

 
  The V1 did had Icache=4KB , DCache=4KB
 
  The V2 did had Icache=16KB , DCache=32KB
 
  For the V4 we plan those configs which we already tested:
  Icache=32KB , DCache=64KB
  Icache=32KB , DCache=128KB
 
  If you look careful in the recent benchmarks then you might also find a results for this configuration.

Very nice. These are modern sizes for L1 caches. An Intel I3 only has 32K/32K. AMD's new Ryzen 5 I=64KB, D=32KB.




Obetto Sannala

Posts 61
04 Aug 2017 09:30


:-) Great news!


Andy Hearn

Posts 366
04 Aug 2017 09:37


awesome awesome awesome!

while I get my wits together with this announcement, i'm just going to say

"take my money!"

:D :D :D



Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
04 Aug 2017 11:20


another message to say: congratulation for achieving this new hardware :)

now that the word is out, hope to hear more about benchmarks, usb and ethernet support in OSes. also will there be any means to get wifi support (through sdnet maybe ?)

anyway, good news in amigaland :)


Peter Heginbotham

Posts 199
04 Aug 2017 11:22


Are there any further details on the A600 adapter


Fernando Pereira

Posts 68
04 Aug 2017 18:02


This is awesome. But I have a dilemma at hands:
   
    I have no Amiga case, so If I get a standalone Vampire what would be the best approach to use it? I would love such much to have an Amiga 1200 original / enhanced case with a standalone vampire in it. I could buy one of those fancy A1200 cases that come in several colors, but these do not come with a A1200 keyboard.
   
Buying an used amiga online freaks me out and tend to be expensive.
   
    :(
 
Are there plans to manufacture a full Vampire Amiga in a case with built-in keyboard?


Xan X-vision
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Posts 35/ 1
04 Aug 2017 18:43


@Gunnar
 
  Which is the USB specification and speed?
 
  How much is the increase of the CPU speed over V3?
 
  Thanks a lot,


Mo Retro

Posts 241
04 Aug 2017 19:03


xan x-vision wrote:

@Gunnar
 
  Which is the USB specification and speed?
 
  How much is the increase of the CPU speed over V3?
 
  Thanks a lot,

Interesting Question!
Now that we are at it can the Apollo Team gives us some more info about the 3 expansion headers? What can be connect to it?

Again felicitations for the Great job the Apollo Tesm is doing :thumbsup


Salteadorneo Salteador

Posts 20
04 Aug 2017 20:59


Congratulations.
Cyclone V is an interesting upgrade over the old Cyclone III. It will also allow improvements to the current 68080. Several cores? SPU? I expect an adjusted price. ;-)


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
04 Aug 2017 21:06


Salteadorneo salteador wrote:

Congratulations.
  Cyclone V is an interesting upgrade over the old Cyclone III. It will also allow improvements to the current 68080. Several cores? SPU? I expect an adjusted price. ;-)

Currently we "only" see USBs, Ethernet, DB9 and a bit more powerfull CPU clockrate.
From Riva tests, I assume VampireNG is V4

A500 + VampireV2 68080@78 MHz  == 47.5 FPS
A500 + VampireNG 68080@93 MHz  == 61.7 FPS


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
04 Aug 2017 21:51


Fernando Pereira wrote:

  Are there plans to manufacture a full Vampire Amiga in a case with built-in keyboard?
 

 
  Boards only. But cases are open for free alternatives :-)
  So there certainly is a secondary market to Vampire standalones ...
 
  My vote is still for great Loriano and his x500 evo that got a plus in design! A500 style case, customizable LEDs, Cherry keyboard that can be customized to suit anyones needs, space for slim DVD, 2.5" HDD or SSD, even low profile gfx card. I worry about Vampire connectors and much unneeded space, but maybe he could make some A600 size A1200 design style smaller edition :-)

  Famous Introducing X500 Plus video
  EXTERNAL LINK 

  X500 PRO benefits
  EXTERNAL LINK
 


Daniel Sevo

Posts 299
04 Aug 2017 22:53


Ok, so V1200 *will* have a Cyclone V...

To quote "the Donald" ;-) "I called it"

EXTERNAL LINK  13th post from top. ;-)

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