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Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:33


Mike Johnson wrote:

Hello again. I fully expect these comments to be removed, censorship seems rife here.
 
  1-I'm not promoting, I'm simply responding to a comment.
  2-I said the fastest 060 (real) CPU system available.
 
  Peace and love.
  /Mike

ok we should stop there


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
29 Mar 2018 09:34


Fair enough, I will refrain from further comments here then.



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
29 Mar 2018 09:45


Mr Niding wrote:

  In the case of Phase 5/Fake 5, I agree that raising the alarm about the project.
 

 
Both ring alarm bells.
MikeJ has a track record of posting not always the truth.

* Igor was the first person to add a Cache to the TG68.
After Igor published his sources - Mike did the same as Igor but claimed he would be the first doing this.
 
* Can you recall how many times did MikeJ announce that he would had developed a full 68030 compatible CPU with FPU and MMU?
 
* How often did he claim he would accelerate the TG68 to 100 Mips?
 
* Is it not for 6 years now that MikeJ, promises his customers to ship the 68060 CPU cards?
 
 
Mike Johnson wrote:

I said the fastest 060 (real) CPU system available.

Unproven claim.
Show Benchmark results or Sysinfo scores then we can compare.


Mr Niding

Posts 459
29 Mar 2018 09:46


Customers of 6 years;
 
Did he collect money for said cards?

That said; benchmarks is always good, I agree :)


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:56


he has changed to real 060


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
29 Mar 2018 09:57



"MikeJ also has a track record of posting not always the truth.", nope. Sometimes messages get corrupted, but I'll respond to any specific criticism.

"Can you recall how many times did MikeJ announce that he would had developed a full 68030 compatible CPU with FPU and MMU?"

I said it was under development, and it still is. There are a number of us working on a TG68 replacement.

"How often did he claim he would accelerate the TG68 to 100 Mips?"
Work is still being done here, on a variant called M68K which is refactored and re-written. This work is done in parallel the the gate level clone. Cycle accuracy for some applications is more important. I can emulate the 68K far faster on an ARM SOC if I'm not concerned with the cycle timing.

"Was is not for 6 years now that MikeJ promised his customers to ship the 68060 CPU cards?"

Yeah, been busy. They are in production now, fully verified. No pre-order or money is taken before delivery.

Pics are on the Amiga facebook page.

Any other questions?
/Mike




Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 10:00


real 060
   
  that was not clear (at least for me) in his first post
 
  of course when his card will be available people will do benchmarks and compare the different products both regarding performance and price


Cunn Pole

Posts 29
29 Mar 2018 10:07


And then we'll buy both, because amiga people are nuts that way


Mr Niding

Posts 459
29 Mar 2018 10:08


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

real 060
 
  so no need to compare apollo and his card
 
  that was not clear in his first post

So we are splitting hairs now are we? Isnt the work a cpu does (and its performance) what matters, instead of getting hung up on definitions?
Here is where benchmarks comes in.

Vampire/Apollo defenders goes on a crusade to defend it on amiga.org for example, over something silly as to what emulation is. Pages and pages. But we get hung up on it ourselves here.
Also, people defend when estimated progress maps doesnt come thru, and people like Kolla keeps going nuts over "broken promises".
Its obviously quite silly since its WORK IN PROGRESS, and timetables are often too opimistic.

Ok, so MikeJ has been too opimistic with his timetable, but unless he has collected money for anything, I dont see the problem (and he posted he havent taken money).

I personally always wait for benchmarks before purchasing anything. If someone purchase Vampire, MikeJs card or anything else without checking the performance beforehand, then its upon the customer to look him/herself in the mirror instead of pointing fingers.


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 10:08


;)


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 10:15


It is a difference to me if there is a average user expressing his view or a commercial vendor doing marketing on a competing forum. There is some past from Natami times regarding FPGA Arcade you are propably not aware of. We should stop it there. Both products are different, some will buy both and some only one, some none. When products are available people will compare depending on prices and what products offer and benchmarks will show who is offering the faster amiga.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
29 Mar 2018 10:16


Mr Niding wrote:

Ok, so MikeJ has been too opimistic with his timetable, but unless he has collected money for anything, I dont see the problem (and he posted he havent taken money).

 
What is your opinion when you would hear that other hardware developers say that MikeJ contacted them and warned them not to work together with the Vampire team.
 
Till Harbaum (Mist) for example said that MikeJ warned him not to work together with the Vampire team because the CPU and the AGA chipset would be illegal.
 
MikeJ claimed that Apollo and SAGA chipset would be based on stolen files from Mike server - and that he can proof this.
 
Of course this is utter nonsense.
 


Mr Niding

Posts 459
29 Mar 2018 10:23


Ok, thats a whole different disucssion Gunnar, and I agree thats foundation to be critical.

We should separate the merits of his board, and its performance, from his buissniss actions.
I havent see what you say in your last post, but Ive seen it discussed, and its quite concerning I agree. And it WILL affect my decision to do buissniss with him.
Take Amazon; The performance of their service is very good, but the overall picture of their buissniss model and behavior makes me refuse to have ANYTHING to do with them, from a morality point of view.

IF what you say is correct, then I wont touch MikeJs card with a pole regardless of performance. Again, I separate the performance discussion from buissniss morale, but for my end conclusion I DO add it all up.

I just think dealing with xyz in a sequential manner, so the merits of xyz is very clear.


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
29 Mar 2018 10:26


I sorry Gunnar but that's just slander.

Till and I did a lot of work together on the T68K, and discussed a lot of issues. There are licensing issues with combining open source code and the CPU correct, which is the reason I was not interested. Till had his own issues with you.

"MikeJ claimed that Apollo and SAGA chipset would be based on stolen files from Mike server - and that he can proof this."

This is also not true. Somebody told me you had the code. I don't care either way, it's either open or going to be open.

/Mike




Mr Niding

Posts 459
29 Mar 2018 10:30


May I suggest that you Mike and you Gunnar open up a Skype or similar conversation and clear the air?
 
  Its doing BOTH of you a disservice to keep this toxic enviroment in such a small community.
 
  Usually months and countless of forum words leads nowhere, and steals away hours of your life, while a direct CONVESATION will take 10 minutes and clear up everything.
 
  If you want to go even futher; post the soundfile publicly, so you prevent tinfoil people on xyz forums to inject their interpetations to a convo.


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
29 Mar 2018 10:35


Absolutely, would love to clear up any miss-understandings.

I have all the correspondence with Till as well. Gunnar you have my details, feel free to ping.

/Mike


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
29 Mar 2018 13:38


Mike Johnson wrote:

  Absolutely, would love to clear up any miss-understandings.
 
  I have all the correspondence with Till as well. Gunnar you have my details, feel free to ping.
 
  /Mike
 

 
  Its good to have another FPGA developer onboard and maybe at "Vampire Arcade v5" both progresses could merge? Far better then slandering or sticking to promises not yet fulfilled (that Vamp team has few too, but not that longstanding) it would be good to see pointing what are nice points of Vamp implementation, e.g. If I was MJ I would be glad that someone has improved generic 68k core (Igor) and done way more in almost same hardware FPGA level (V2 and V4 boards). As "turndown" Vamps are slightly less compatibile then Myst/Arcade/Minimig as arent simple replicas and most of its advanced features will be used only by new rewritten s/w.
 
  Back to Coffin, is it dead (so we are back to AmiKit and other solutions like fixing AROS?)
 


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
10 Apr 2018 17:17


David Wright at Amiga.org reports few bugs that could be Coffin/Core related.

EXTERNAL LINK 
  Yes, I have noticed going backwards a bit with new cores.
A few games that played well no longer do.

In graphics Grafx2 has a very dark unusable screen. Personal paint has some weird screen configs no matter what resolution I am using.




Mister A

Posts 6
15 Apr 2018 17:25


I can see on the website that a r51 is released of Apollo OS.
However there is no download link?




MartinTomas Steffen

Posts 61
15 Apr 2018 19:04


Coffin  r51 is online
  EXTERNAL LINK 
Oh, and JimDrew can relax.Fusion and PCx are removed.

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