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Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
27 Mar 2018 10:51


icons are copyrighted too so as long as you do not get a permission by authors you cannot use them legally

in case of coffin it was no problem because the whole distribution is highly illegal


Mr Niding

Posts 459
27 Mar 2018 10:53


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

icons are copyrighted too so as long as you do not get a permission by authors you cannot use them legally
 
  in case of coffin it was no problem because the whole distribution is highly illegal

Ah, didnt know that. Thanks for the info.


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
27 Mar 2018 11:27


sean sk wrote:

    It would be great to see AROS as a modern replacement for Coffin.
   

   
    Agreed. As it will be a clean start and can be shipped with standalone. Customized and recompiled AROS to 080 MMX would be a great start. Then adding layers of what can be back-compiled from AROS x86 and what os 3.x s/w works in AROS. We might end with smaller, copyright free Vampire optimized OS with no-mambo jumbo (something CUSA promised for x86 but never really went to an effort)
   
   
sean sk wrote:

    EXTERNAL LINK     
    If you haven't already done so, have a look at that. Thomas Richter talks extensively about what he has been doing.
   

   
    Thanks, but I have. I could fire up some Amiga Forever or OS 3.1 inside OS 4.x and check-it-up (compare the versions and percieved changes), but it does not give me a real feature/fix list like OS 3.5, OS 3.9 or even OS 4.x did. Its more a changelog. Bugfixing is great, but does not to bring new feats or explain how older one will function better. Most of them could be irrelevant to OS 3.5/OS 3.9 users, but surely offers improved OS 3.1 start.
 
  Generation Amiga even claims it will be "060 optimized" which I fail to see elsewhere (I do understand 060 will be better supported or certain things wont crash on it). Another point is Hyperion as licensee and distributor, as they deliver ... slowly, and often not what was promised. Its great its not them actually doing the job, but remains to be seen when it will be avail.


Mister A

Posts 6
27 Mar 2018 19:34


Guess I'm out of luck then. No one is seeding the link anymore.
ApolloOS = Dead?


Wawa T

Posts 695
27 Mar 2018 20:28


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

 
sean sk wrote:

      It would be great to see AROS as a modern replacement for Coffin.
     

     
      Agreed. As it will be a clean start and can be shipped with standalone. Customized and recompiled AROS to 080 MMX would be a great start.
 

 
  i dont think it needs to be "custimized" wholesale. aros has platform specific parts of code organized cleanly in arch folder, other than that guarded by ifdefs in crucial potions of the main source.
 
 
Then adding layers of what can be back-compiled from AROS x86 and what os 3.x s/w works in AROS.

 
  most of code is cross platform, so most of it works already no matter x86 or 68k. certainly there are bugs on less tested platforms and resources and performance may effectively prohibit usage of heavier stuff on lower end systems such as vampire.
 


Michael Borrmann

Posts 140
28 Mar 2018 10:07


I have read a couple of times the graphics sub system and its over reliance on object oriented code is the main problem with AROS being slow on the Vampire.

Is there any initiative to change that?



Samuel Crow

Posts 424
28 Mar 2018 10:29


Michael Borrmann wrote:

I have read a couple of times the graphics sub system and its over reliance on object oriented code is the main problem with AROS being slow on the Vampire.
 
  Is there any initiative to change that?

The 68k drivers barely exist as it is.  There are two base classes for the graphics subsystem.  One for planar and one for chunky.  There are zero base classes for combinations of both.  The whole graphics subsystem needs an overhaul.  Do you know of anyone who has time to deal with that?


Marlon Beijer

Posts 182
28 Mar 2018 10:49


Michael Borrmann wrote:

I have read a couple of times the graphics sub system and its over reliance on object oriented code is the main problem with AROS being slow on the Vampire.
 
  Is there any initiative to change that?
 

I'm fairly certain that I've heard that the latest drivers would work much better with AROS and make the graphics faster. But then there's still the IDE issue. But don't quote me on this, since it was a while since I heard this.


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
28 Mar 2018 17:24


"he is obviously FPGA Arcade supporter and Vampire is a devastating competition to it "

Not really tbh, the way the game is played is as important as the end result. Wouldn't say devastating, just different.

/Mike


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
28 Mar 2018 17:33


the goals of both projects is different (FPGA Arcade emulates multiple platforms) but in reality amiga fans will not buy several devices but one and people buying vampires will propably not buy FPGA Arcade


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
28 Mar 2018 19:44


Mike Johnson wrote:

  Not really tbh, the way the game is played is as important as the end result. Wouldn't say devastating, just different.
  /Mike

Devastating is too hash word, as FPGA Arcade is multiple system emulator. At point of time it had 020+AGA which was great move forward, with some promise of add on 060 card or similar. With Vampire I suppose that dream dies or becomes less viable.


Eric Gus

Posts 477
28 Mar 2018 20:41


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

the goals of both projects is different (FPGA Arcade emulates multiple platforms) but in reality amiga fans will not buy several devices but one and people buying vampires will propably not buy FPGA Arcade

They are for different purposes, I dont know if I would draw that line so black and white.. While I dont have an FPGA Arcade, I do have an MiST FPGA .. and I really dont see much cross over.. granted the Arcade will have an 060 option but thats more on a direct competition with the V4 Standalone.. as far as it replicating other systems its very much complimentary to the vampire (eg it does a classic stock A500 for me, it also does a basic AtariSt .. etc)..




Mike Johnson

Posts 8
28 Mar 2018 20:57


The 060 board is full verified and being built now - it's probably the fastest 060 on the planet, and Replay2 is being designed now.


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:01


FPGA Arcade Promotion department?

;)

Am I allowed to login on FPGA Arcade too and promote Vampire standalone? ;)


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:04


just looked... MikeJ the FPGA Arcade designer


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:05


I doubt that Gunnar will agree to that...

otherwise it sounds like marketing bla bla

please prove that... benchmarks


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:14


as I wrote emulating multiple systems whereas Vampire is dedicated amiga hardware. I read somewhere that people are even thinking if buying Tabor or V4 standalone because lack of money and room. That is certainly even more true for hardware that is covering a similar market so yes I still think that Vampire products including standalone devices are threatening the success of other 68k related similar projects including FPGA Arcade. You see that at Mike Johnson starting here to promote his project. Still waiting for prove that he is offering fastest 68k available...


Mr Niding

Posts 459
29 Mar 2018 09:24


@Olaf

I would love to see us stopping to see conflict behind every post or project thats semi-similar to Apollo for example.

Ok, MikeJ's claims might or might not hold water. So what? The way I see it; the more options for Amigans, the better.
And even IF you dont like competition, poking xyz people in the eye over it will only alienate a % of amigas, that might be sympatetic to XYZ project.

How about we JUST focus on the merits of Apollo/Vampire, and ignore (or encourage/or if possible learn from) other projects.
In the case of Phase 5/Fake 5, I agree that raising the alarm about the project.


Mike Johnson

Posts 8
29 Mar 2018 09:29


Hello again. I fully expect these comments to be removed, censorship seems rife here.

1-I'm not promoting, I'm simply responding to a comment.
2-I said the fastest 060 (real) CPU system available.

Peace and love.
/Mike


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
29 Mar 2018 09:30


I do not like people with commercial interests promoting their products on competing sites. That would be the same as someone working for BMW promoting the BMWs on the Audi support forum. You do not do that. There are enough neutral sites where you can do that.

Other than that I will not further make comments on that

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