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Thierry Atheist
Posts 644
30 Jul 2017 12:40
| To Gregthe Canuck and Nicolas Sipieter, Post 11 and 13. CLICK HERE
Oh, look who's talking about Arria 10 here?! Post 19. CLICK HERE
Hmmm, how did I miss(read) comment 18? CLICK HERE
Gregthe Canuck, Gunnar said that the standalone with an Arria 10 would cost about $800 Canadian. I sometimes "go off the rails" with my posts, but the Arria 10 stuff wasn't an error. I had assumed that ANY standalone would use the Arria 10. :-(((
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Gregthe Canuck
Posts 274
30 Jul 2017 13:04
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Here is a snippet from a post by Gunnar in the last thread you quoted....-------------------------- The current Vampire and the stand alone boards use Cyclones.
Arria 10 boards are considered as performance alternative for power users for next year. They will be faster but also more expensive. -------------------------- I don't read that as a statement in any way, shape or form implying the standalone will be using an Arria 10. Do you?
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Tango One
Posts 102
30 Jul 2017 14:41
| gregthe canuck wrote:
| | Here is a snippet from a post by Gunnar in the last thread you quoted....
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The current Vampire and the stand alone boards use Cyclones.
Arria 10 boards are considered as performance alternative for power users for next year. They will be faster but also more expensive.
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I don't read that as a statement in any way, shape or form implying the standalone will be using an Arria 10. Do you?
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Arria 10 all my wet dreams will come true if that happens, but since the price on standalone/v1200 will then sky rocket. I belive it could be cyclone 5 that is used but guess we will know more about this in two weeks time.
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Thierry Atheist
Posts 644
30 Jul 2017 15:20
| gregthe canuck wrote:
| | Here is a snippet from a post by Gunnar in the last thread you quoted.... -------------------------- The current Vampire and the stand alone boards use Cyclones.
Arria 10 boards are considered as performance alternative for power users for next year. They will be faster but also more expensive. -------------------------- I don't read that as a statement in any way, shape or form implying the standalone will be using an Arria 10. Do you? |
Hi Greg the Canuck,I stand corrected, however, it appears that both answers are correct.... They intend to make a standalone with an Arria 10, and one with another FPGA, maybe the Cyclone V. Looks like too many models to me for such a small market.
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Thierry Atheist
Posts 644
30 Jul 2017 15:30
| gregthe canuck wrote:
| | Here is a snippet from a post by Gunnar in the last thread you quoted.... -------------------------- The current Vampire and the stand alone boards use Cyclones.
Arria 10 boards are considered as performance alternative for power users for next year. They will be faster but also more expensive. -------------------------- I don't read that as a statement in any way, shape or form implying the standalone will be using an Arria 10. Do you? |
Hi Greg the Canuck,Errr, uhhmmm, I just noticed that the date of that post is "Aug. 27, 2016"!!!! (post 18) CLICK HERE
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M Rickan
Posts 177
30 Jul 2017 17:47
| tango one wrote:
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I belive it could be cyclone 5 that is used but guess we will know more about this in two weeks time.
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Assuming of course that the "two weeks" comment was not just a ruse. Anyone happen to know how compatible the Arria and Cyclone FPGAs are in terms of their logic and interfacing? It would be interesting to know if there is any potential for modularity.
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Vojin Vidanovic
Posts 770
30 Jul 2017 23:56
| Djole Djole wrote:
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Good one.... 2 more weeks....
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It might be a pun in Hype boys two weeks I have spent almost a decade on, without much success. Since we do V1200 and standalone exist in beta stage, I am more likely to believe couple of weeks of core tweaking and testing and tweaking is a distance from V1200 and standalone, at least in internal beta if not for public (larger production).
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Vojin Vidanovic
Posts 770
31 Jul 2017 00:09
| Roy Gillotti wrote:
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BigGun> 2 x db
BigGun> 2 x IDE
BigGun> 3 x expansion port
Outside of that not much else is known.
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With such old school interfraces could we add
- MIDI
- Floppy controller for Amiga HD floppy
- ANSI terminal support in FPGA
- Separated stereo out
- fast Serial and Parallel Ports
- 2 x PS/2 mouse and keyboard
On modern side, on expansion and in future models:
- Faster SATA, SSD Trim support
- Never enough USBs
- Wi-Fi for sure
- VGA and DVI at least for RTG outpout
- Faast SCSI :-)
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M Rickan
Posts 177
31 Jul 2017 01:58
| Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
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Since we do V1200 and standalone exist in beta stage, I am more likely to believe couple of weeks of core tweaking and testing and tweaking is a distance from V1200 and standalone, at least in internal beta if not for public (larger production).
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I think the implication was that the specs would become available, not that production would begin.
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Vojin Vidanovic
Posts 770
31 Jul 2017 07:01
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I think the implication was that the specs would become available, not that production would begin.
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Exactly. But in reality it already exists and is getting prepepared. Real thing will be availiability, hopefully some point this year.
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Lorenzo Pistone
Posts 22
31 Jul 2017 13:15
| I would like to have a least one ddr3/4 socket.
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Chris Dennett
Posts 67
31 Jul 2017 17:55
| You don't need a memory expansion. Soldered memory is enough. Also you don't want the extra processing logic to handle the socket, as it takes up logic gates.
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Vojin Vidanovic
Posts 770
31 Jul 2017 18:25
| Chris Dennett wrote:
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You don't need a memory expansion. Soldered memory is enough. Also you don't want the extra processing logic to handle the socket, as it takes up logic gates.
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There is more FPGA space in newer Cyclones. Memory expansion slot never hurts.
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Xan X-vision
(Needs Verification)
Posts 35/ 1
31 Jul 2017 22:08
| Chris Dennett wrote:
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You don't need a memory expansion. Soldered memory is enough. Also you don't want the extra processing logic to handle the socket, as it takes up logic gates.
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Yeah: 640kb should be enough for all, right? How do you know it is enough? specially when he even didn´t say what he wanted to do? some attitudes don't help very much.
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Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6219
01 Aug 2017 06:33
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some attitudes don't help very much.
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The whole discussion does not help very much. Hardware is developed in the following cycle. a) you plan the hardware
b) you layout the hardware
c) you produce the hardware
d) you test and verify the hardware
e) you mass produce the hardware
f) sell the hardware We are at e) now.
Its impossible to change the hardware now.
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Thierry Atheist
Posts 644
01 Aug 2017 08:30
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| | Hardware is developed in the following cycle. e) you mass produce the hardware We are at e) now. Its impossible to change the hardware now. |
So, what hardware is "e"?
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Vojin Vidanovic
Posts 770
01 Aug 2017 08:55
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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We are at e) now.
Its impossible to change the hardware now.
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I do understand current model will be ~V1200 speed (080 100Mhz plus I hope), SAGA, no RAM slot
and mentioned ports.
Since it seems you do plan another model for next year, why not hearing what people will like you to put in future plans?
Discussion will rotate to current model as soon as full specs are avail.
Dont worry, I and a lot of people that are Classicless due to age,will get current standalone.
What I can see as only flaws of current design is:
a) while IDE enables us to strip CD-ROms and hard drives from current classics, new IDE DVD-RW and fast HDDs are hard to find and expensive to performance. IDE alone makes it more as suitable classic replacement then for a new 2017 design. Same goes for old school DB ports vs PS/2 at least (I find using USB for kbd and mouse waste of resources and a bit unreliable).
b) 256MB fast DDR2/3 RAM I expect to be soldered is well enough for OS 3.9 and ApolloOS but in future AROS 68k might be eating a lot. So in future, think of expansion slot
All the rest is more then kudos.
There is room for improvements, always.
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Thierry Atheist
Posts 644
01 Aug 2017 12:07
| Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
| | Same goes for old school DB ports vs PS/2 at least (I find using USB for kbd and mouse waste of resources and a bit unreliable). |
Hi Vojin,I agree with that. I intentionally bought a motherboard with PS/2 sockets on it for keyboard and mouse in 2011. It's a 3.4 GHz i7 2600 with 32 gigabytes of RAM that I'm using. That's why I'm hoping for at least 1 Gig on the new Vampire. As for the standalone... it's still a secret specification set!!!!
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Djole Djole
Posts 35
01 Aug 2017 13:14
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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xan x-vision wrote:
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some attitudes don't help very much.
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The whole discussion does not help very much.
Hardware is developed in the following cycle.
a) you plan the hardware
b) you layout the hardware
c) you produce the hardware
d) you test and verify the hardware
e) you mass produce the hardware
f) sell the hardware
We are at e) now.
Its impossible to change the hardware now.
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Since the design is ready and at the stage of mass production. Why dont you share the specifications with us ? It wont change anyway.
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Martin Soerensen
Posts 232
01 Aug 2017 14:43
| Djole Djole wrote:
| | Since the design is ready and at the stage of mass production. Why dont you share the specifications with us ? It wont change anyway. |
I'm sure they'll release the info as soon as they think it is time. How much of their salaries and expenses did you pay since you expect that you can demand anything from them?
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Documentation about the Vampire hardware