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E-Bay Anti Vampire Trolling

Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
24 Jul 2017 18:33


Its very sad what Majsta seems to be experiencing.
Another reason to move sales to Amiga dealers.

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"Someone spend incredible amount of time to report my E-bay sales of Vampire cards. He reported me for various reasons, that I m not using genuine pictures, that I have stolen them from someone, that product is fake, that I m misleading buyers, that product is not listed in proper category and so on. Yes, imagine Vampire card can't be listed in Vintage computers category. Then he reported me that I m advertising article as Amiga product, hard to explain but he reported me because I wrote "Amiga accelerator" instead "Accelerator for Amiga". It is really hard to count how many times that person reported me and for what reasons and this is something that goes on and on for more than year. Each and every time as a result card was removed from the auction. After that people who were bidding contacted me asking what is going on and asking questions about removed listing. First few times I didn't even bother to investigate what is going on thinking that this was purely E-bay's action. Then I got one more mail from them who contained this sentence "Another eBay member notified us that your listing used their copyrighted image or text without permission.". That sentence proved everything. It is just shame that E-bay don't investigate things properly. Don't get me wrong I m doing my best to respect all the rules but just search for anything retro computers related over E-bay and you will see that anything goes for everyone but for me. Well as a result, my account on E-bay is suspended yesterday, consequences are huge because this harms my reputation there and rights to buy certain components we need for cards production.

IMHO complete purpose of those attacks is to slowdown project development and for that I see various reasons. Either someone don't like complete concept and somehow he is afraid that Amiga development will have different roadmap than he was thinking. It is perfectly fine to think like this because Amiga community is divided by various of reasons. There are groups of people who don't like PPC, FPGA, 060 or even any kind of upgrades and they think that Amiga should remain stock and used like that. Someone of them get sick when you mention AGA running on A500. Even those are divided, some thinking that AGA is good in A500 but not in FPGA environment. Some of them supports 68K only, again some gets angry when you mention PCI in Amiga and consider that as a true sacrilege. How about mentioning x86 inside Amiga or God forbid mentioning Atari emulation on Amiga. There are many examples...

Those who likes cats don't understand those who likes dogs but all of them will say that it is good thing that we have cats and dogs and possibility to chose what we like the most. I wish for more Amiga related projects, more choices, only that could move us forward. However, I think that those reports are not related to some person who don't like our roadmap. Once more I see money behind all of this.

I see much bigger frustration here and see some things connected. If you look for every article on this website you will see that someone put huge effort to vote for each article hundred of times trying to lower the score to 1. I m picturing person who don't have any real and honest friend, who don't go out, who is scared in the room full of people. Yes, I m picturing person who don't have life. I m picturing it even now when he is reading this, smiling, thinking how wrong I am, but am I wrong. Think how many days of your life you lost wasting time reading E-bay rules and regulations just to stop Vampire sales. Let me tell you that so far I have send 464 Vampire 500 V2+ cards who are sold outside of E-bay. At the end you did what exactly? How about your lost time?

JULY 22,2017.:::UPDATE:
Again one more report and again my account on E-bay in danger, just read what E-bay said to me. This is awesome people, simply awesome!

Please understand that you stated "Vampire 500 V2+ accelerator" in the title of the listing while the description states "You are bidding only for accelerator card" which is misleading. Misleading titles confuse buyers by making it unclear what's actually for sale in a listing. Buyers should be able to determine what's being sold based solely on the title and subtitle. Confusing or misleading information in titles and subtitles clutters the search results and creates the potential for bad buying experiences. Kindly revise / relist the item with the appropriate title of the item that is being offered in the listing."


M Rickan

Posts 177
24 Jul 2017 20:37


Sounds like an obvious vendetta. Surely eBay must find this to be exceptional and have investigated to determine the source?

Either way, there are alternatives that are likely more appropriate - including dealers.


Sebastian Blanco

Posts 148
24 Jul 2017 21:58


Its a shame such a tinny hobby is full of such bad people


Tango One

Posts 102
24 Jul 2017 22:17


Why not a apollo/vampire web shop. That way no need for ebay.

Just look at amiga.org or amigaworld.net seems like all haters is there so not very hard to find these haters.


M Rickan

Posts 177
24 Jul 2017 22:40


tango one wrote:

Just look at amiga.org or amigaworld.net seems like all haters is there so not very hard to find these haters.

That's generalizing to the extreme. This is interfering with a business venture, not simply being an annoyance.

Regardless of who is doing this it should be reasonably easy for ebay to determine the source by account or IP. I'm sure most listings don't get flagged so routinely.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
24 Jul 2017 23:26


m rickan wrote:

  Regardless of who is doing this it should be reasonably easy for ebay to determine the source by account or IP. I'm sure most listings don't get flagged so routinely.

True, but that implies intelligence and reason. Most of "modern websites" like facebook, youtube ... have computerized, not "intelligent" reporting/inquiry system.

General reason why AI/automated solutions fail misserably in real life serving humans :-)


Peter Heginbotham

Posts 214
25 Jul 2017 10:14


Here in the UK this sort of person is known as Tw*t

I would raise a format complaint to ebay for cyber bullying and stalking and try and get there ID and name. If they are in the UK then they may have broken either the "Protection from Harassment Act 1997" or the the "Crime and Disorder Act 1999"

I would also get someone to proof read your auction, as they are play semantic's with your wording.


Michal Warzecha

Posts 209
25 Jul 2017 11:23


Mayby We need to send some mail to e-bay to explain them what's going on? We're many.


Nicolas Sipieter
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Posts 115/ 1
25 Jul 2017 11:24


@apollo-team

the amiga comunity and the amiga businesses are full of people like that.
you should know that well by now.
it will never stops. period.

you should focus on the good elements and try to mostly ignore the negatives ones.
you know: trolls, naysayers, morons..
there's also mafia-like practices and vendetta minded rivals and just plain haters too.

do no listen to them or you will feel depressed.
the best revenge you could do to them, is to continue and focus on your project.
vampire-apollo combo being successful despite all the attacks,
is precisely what's driving them nuts :)

so.. just continue making this project a reality and a successful product.
you'll be haunting their nightmare.



Sebastian Blanco

Posts 148
25 Jul 2017 22:08


Majesta try selling in amibay works fine.


Manuel Jesus

Posts 155
26 Jul 2017 03:28


How about sell V2 A500 on his website for the average ebay price.
  Call it the fast track program-
  payable by credit cards or paypal.
 
  No ebay listing or sale fees, no crazy trolls.
  I guess they will complain to paypal after that
  A
 
  EBAY attracts bozos that will pay more for Amiga hardware since it's on ebay, this must be a sickness.
 
 


Alan Haynes

Posts 140
26 Jul 2017 09:32


Michal Warzecha wrote:

Mayby We need to send some mail to e-bay to explain them what's going on? We're many.

I like the idea of us complaining about Igor being harassed. Tell me where to write and I will.
I have bought many products on eBay over the years and perhaps if Igor's customers each send an email to them renouncing the unfair treatment then we may be able get some satisfaction for him. Especially if emails come from different parts of the world.
As a side-note, I think the item listing "Vampire 500 V2+ accelerator" should probably have read; "Vampire 500 V2+ accelerator card". It is amazing how pedantic some people can be but what is more amazing is that somebody would waste so much of their time as Igor said trying to tear apart the advertisements just to stop the sale of this little miracle.

Igor. I have a picture here of a Crane (wading bird) with a frog in its mouth. The frog has its front legs around the neck of the crane choking it. The caption below says: "Don't ever give up."
We admire you and are grateful for all the work you and the team have done to move the Amiga from the 1990's into the 21st Century. "Don't ever give up."


Cunn Pole

Posts 29
26 Jul 2017 10:36


I can see how the V2+ bit could be ambiguous. It might be safer to put it on ebay as V2.1 so that people without knowledge of the product (ebay) dont think it means "also includes"

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