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FIREBIRD V4 Am Amiga 600page  1 2 

Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
19 Oct 2021 08:19


Hallo,
 
  kann man die Firebird V4 mittels solch einen Adapter EXTERNAL LINK
  im Amiga 600 laufen lassen?
  Um eine TF536 mit einem Adapter zu nutzen musste z.B. eine Custom Firmware erstellt werden EXTERNAL LINK 
  Grüße
  Krzysztof


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
19 Oct 2021 08:35


Hello Krzysztof,

Yes the Firebird can in theory be used in an A600 with an adapter.
Saying this, I have not doublechecked the layout and wiring of the adapter that you posted, therefore I can not ensure you that this model works.

The Firebird is designed with all CPU functions to support both, the CPU handshaking which is needed in the A600 and to support external DMA which is needed to for some Zorro2 cards in the Amiga 2000.


Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
19 Oct 2021 09:16


Hi Gunar,
this great news. But let's say I would purchase the card it wouldn't work, would be there some support to make it run?



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
19 Oct 2021 09:38


Krzysztof Wolf wrote:

would be there some support to make it run?

Hello Krzysztof,

Yes the Firebird should work with the A600.
And we of course will support people wanting to run it.

But please mind, that I did not review the adapter you posted.
I can not guarantee you that this adapter works with the Firebird.
On the A500 and A600 two signals are swapped.
I did not review if the adapter does swap them already or not.

Also please mind that the physical connection to the A600 CPU is sometimes a challenge. The A600 was not designed by Commodore to be expanded, and in my experience unfortunately the piggyback connection used to connect this adapter could sometimes get loose.



Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
19 Oct 2021 20:23


Would it help if I would send you such an adapter?
And yes I'm aware of the connection problem :/


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
20 Oct 2021 07:26


Krzysztof Wolf wrote:

Would it help if I would send you such an adapter?

Yes sure


Dawid 1983

Posts 29
20 Oct 2021 17:57


Will be nice if you can test it and let us know if this is possible :) I have  A600 tower with 600 V2. But this new cards are so promising :)


Michael MiB

Posts 53
20 Oct 2021 18:33


I would love to change my Furia for a V4 :-)


Sean Sk

Posts 464
20 Oct 2021 22:42


As noted in the 2nd link, there may be clearance issues between the underside of the A600 keyboard and this adapter with the Firebird mounted on it.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
20 Oct 2021 23:43


sean sk wrote:

As noted in the 2nd link, there may be clearance issues between the underside of the A600 keyboard and this adapter with the Firebird mounted on it.

I believe, that technically the Firebird would just work fine in A600.
But I agree that this adapter might have a clearance issue, maybe.

Fact is that A600 is a difficult platform.
The A600 is not designed to be expanded and the connection over the CPU socket has problems on some A600.

If someone likes to make a special adapter for Firebird, then talk to us.
We could also consider to make a Firebird (Salamander) Version special for A600 if there is enough demand.



Dawid 1983

Posts 29
21 Oct 2021 00:32


I will be interested with Firebird (Salamander) or version with adapter(will prefer to buy as a set and have to be solid in place:). This new card is much better cos you can use only hdmi output for old games. Is very modern for amiga :)


Jd 64

Posts 36
21 Oct 2021 11:58


If the A600 Salamander version were to be made I think it would be the best option as these adapters can be unstable and pop off the socket over time. So I would be interested in buying one.



Sean Sk

Posts 464
21 Oct 2021 23:45


Yeah, if the Apollo Team ever decided to produce a dedicated A600 version, I would definitely get one. But I do understand the problems involved.


Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
22 Oct 2021 16:23


Hi Gunnar,
I've just dropped off the the CPU adapter at the post office.

Regards
Krzysztof


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
23 Oct 2021 07:22


Krzysztof Wolf wrote:

Hi Gunnar,
  I've just dropped off the the CPU adapter at the post office.
 
  Regards
  Krzysztof

Wow cool. Many thanks!!

Krzystof are you on Discord?
Maybe we could make sense to chat about this more?


Dawid 1983

Posts 29
23 Oct 2021 11:05


Hope this will work out guys :D

If i work will be option to buy card with adapter?

Krzysiek you order adapter from pcb way or you made it in PL ?


Peter Heginbotham

Posts 213
23 Oct 2021 12:54


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

sean sk wrote:

  As noted in the 2nd link, there may be clearance issues between the underside of the A600 keyboard and this adapter with the Firebird mounted on it.
 

 
  I believe, that technically the Firebird would just work fine in A600.
  But I agree that this adapter might have a clearance issue, maybe.
 
  Fact is that A600 is a difficult platform.
  The A600 is not designed to be expanded and the connection over the CPU socket has problems on some A600.
 
  If someone likes to make a special adapter for Firebird, then talk to us.
  We could also consider to make a Firebird (Salamander) Version special for A600 if there is enough demand.
 

Would the Firebird (Salamander) be a Firebird with a Amiga 600 firmware and then use a socket adapter?

Space is not an issue for me as i have a Checkmate 1500 case


Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
23 Oct 2021 20:52


Dawid 1983 wrote:

Hope this will work out guys :D
 
  If i work will be option to buy card with adapter?
 
  Krzysiek you order adapter from pcb way or you made it in PL ?

 
Kochany Dawidzie, I've ordered it in PL over ebay, ~11Euro.


Krzysztof Wolf

Posts 16
23 Oct 2021 20:53


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
Krzysztof Wolf wrote:

  Hi Gunnar,
    I've just dropped off the the CPU adapter at the post office.
   
    Regards
    Krzysztof
 

 
  Wow cool. Many thanks!!
 
  Krzystof are you on Discord?
  Maybe we could make sense to chat about this more?
 

  Never used discord to be honest, do i need i client?
 


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5731
24 Oct 2021 00:01


Peter Heginbotham wrote:

Would the Firebird (Salamander) be a Firebird with a Amiga 600 firmware and then use a socket adapter?

I think the normal Firebird will run in A600.
I don't think that a special Firmware is needed.
You only need an special Adapter -- or a PCB with PLCC socket which I meant with the "SALAMANDER" name

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