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R7565 Beta Core for V1200 : We Need Your Feedback

Renaud Schweingruber
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 334
26 Jun 2020 21:44


Hi guys,
 
We have been testing core 7565 for V1200 for some weeks now and noticed we need more feedback before releasing it as a stable core.
 
Biggest change in that core is on the ChipRAM speed and we need to make sure it does work on all A1200 motherboards giving people same level of stability and without hickups on CIAs (mouse, keyboard, etc.).
 
For that, we would be glad if you could test that core and report with details of your A1200 motherboard :
  * Motherboard revision
  * Recapped motherboard : yes/no
  * Recapped PSU or new one : yes/no
  * Timing fix : yes/no
  * If yes : which fix ( based on EXTERNAL LINK )
  * Any other useful detail regarding the issue you face (mouse type, replaced keyboard membrane, etc.)
 
Only report if you have all those details otherwise your feedback won't help us.
 
Core is here :
EXTERNAL LINK   
 
Happy testing ! :)


Vito Leva

Posts 36
26 Jun 2020 23:17


Ok just tested before your request on my A1200:
    Motherboard rev 2B Not Recapped
    Original black 25W 3A PSU not recapped
    Timig fix NO because the motherboard have no E123C and E123C and no E122C and E121C
    Original Commodore Amiga 1200 Mouse 12/93
    Kickstart 3.1 instead of the original 3.0 and RTC on A1200 clock port.
    The core run ok but is unstable after a bit like said on slack with problems typing with the keyboard where the keys repeat the same letters several times.
   
    Bustest runs ok the first time showing 7,1 as bandwidth on all chip operations. But when became instable reports very different numbers.
    I noticed that clicking the floppy drive also tends to desynchronize.
 
Instead on 7389B core all perfect.
   
Bye.
   
   


Stefano Briccolani

Posts 493
27 Jun 2020 09:03


No problems at all with my recapped a1200 with new psu and board rev 1D4
  I tested with a remapped 3.1.4 rom (no rtc no timing fix)
System run stable after whdload, Quake, sysinfo, ecc.. . Bustest reports 7.1 on all values before and after, floppy clicks are regular and keyboard works perfectly
 


Michael AMike

Posts 134
27 Jun 2020 10:16


Renaud Schweingruber wrote:

 
  Happy testing ! :)

Hi Renaud, after the first cold reboot I got instant problems on my machine - I can't really use the Amiga because of the mouse and keyboard hick ups.

  *fast and often diskdrive clicking
  *Mouse double click dosen't work reliably
  *Seconds are jumping in DOpus - No RTC clock - (get time over net)
  *Keyboard error - It's not possible to write one correct word

Config:
  *Motherboard revision: 2b
  * Recapped motherboard : yes
  * Recapped PSU or new one : new one - EOS VLT60-3000
  * Timing fix : yes
  * If yes : 121C,122C,123C, 125C removed
  * Any other useful detail regarding the issue you face
    *Edu PS2 Mouse Adapter with an 15 year old wirless PS2 mouse
    *new Keyboard membrane
    *no RTC Clock
    *Soundcard MelodyPro
    *D520 Flickerfixer

Picture of the board
EXTERNAL LINK 
a1k thread about my machine (german)
EXTERNAL LINK 
With the last 2x12 Gold Core is the Amiga fast and stable.
 




Francesco Lemmi

Posts 42
27 Jun 2020 16:56


Tested here but not working, my A1200 does not boot
 
  Config:
    *Motherboard revision: 1.D4 from Escom
    * Recapped motherboard : yes
    * Recapped PSU or new one : no, using A500 4.5A psu
    * Timing fix : no
    * If yes : n.a.
  Any other useful detail regarding the issue you face
      *The mobo is an Escom motherboard modded for the Amiga disk drive fix
      *Sampedenawa usb Mouse Adapter with an old usb optical mouse
      *new Keyboard membrane
      *RTC module from IComp
 
  Installed again the old core 8379B and all returned to work
     


Master APEX

Posts 34
27 Jun 2020 18:46


May someone can test ENVOY 3.1 with the new A1200 core?
EXTERNAL LINK 


Walter Smolders

Posts 2
28 Jun 2020 10:33


Hi Renaud,

I've tested it and my A1200 does not boot, it only shows the vampire boot screen.
 
  Config:
    * Motherboard revision: 2B
    * Recapped motherboard : No
    * Recapped PSU or new one : A500 4.5A psu not recapped
    * Timing fix : no
  Any other useful detail regarding the issue you face
      * Indivision AGA MK2cr
      * Rys MKII usb Mouse Adapter with an old usb Compaq mouse
      * 3.1 rom installed on MB




Pete Morgan

Posts 4
28 Jun 2020 17:00


Hi guys / Renaud,
 
System does not boot for me either, Vampire boot logo and the "blip" sound...then it doesn't go any further.
 
 
    * Motherboard revision: 2B
    * Recapped motherboard : yes
    * Recapped PSU or new one : ATX
    * Timing fix : No
    * RTC : No
    * EXTRAS: Indivision Rapid Road

Everything works fine on offical 2.12 core.
 
Regards, Pete.
 


Mister Jbam

Posts 2
29 Jun 2020 19:27


- Motherboard revision : 1D.4
      - Recapped motherboard : YES
      - +5v Consolidation
      EXTERNAL LINK       
      - LF1D fix : EXTERNAL LINK       
      - ferrite bead : EXTERNAL LINK       
      - New PSU
      https://www.c64psu.com/c64psu/56-517-commodore-amiga-a500-a500-a600-a1200-psu.html#/ac_cable-eu/version-a500_a500_a600_a1200/
     
      - Timing fix : NO
      - New Premium Hard Keyboard Membrane PCB
        EXTERNAL LINK       
      - Indivision MK2
      - Prelude
      - SSD
      - Mouse 1200 Escom + Laser Kit
      - kick 3.1.4 and Aos 3.1.4.1
     
      I tested many, demos, games and softwares for 3 hours.
      And I saw no worries.
      everything seems to work properly
      Thank you very much for this update
     


FRAXINOUS Eric

Posts 31
05 Jul 2020 10:49


Motherboard rev 1A Recapped
      Original black 4.5A PSU not recapped
      Timig fix NO
      Original Commodore Amiga 1200 Mouse 12/93
      Kickstart 3.1 instead of the original 3.0
     
  The Core run normally. 9 fingers demo have an accelered music. Burning Chrome doesn't work anymore. ADoom run great as with the previous core. I'll had more feedback with anothers tests. Thanks for your work :)


Otto PS

Posts 22
08 Jul 2020 03:06


No hickups, no fdd click problems
bustest chip always 7.1 on all tests after whdload tested many times.
Some old whdload timming troubles (r7389b) now OK (Example: state of the art timing now OK, still little gfx glitches)
Some new whdload troubles (Example: desert dream demo crash amigaos on exit)

Motherboard revision:    2B
Recapped motherboard:    YES
Recaooed PSU or new one: YES
Timming fix:            NO
Mouse:                  A500 mouse
Keyboard:                A500 keyboard (motherboard keyboard controller bypassed)



Smartroad 78

Posts 67
08 Jul 2020 15:19


I'd gladly help, just waiting for the postal service to actually get my card to me! Almost 2 weeks since it was sent, it's like being a kid at christmas, I hated waiting then LOL


Michael AMike

Posts 134
09 Jul 2020 12:40


Otto PS wrote:

 
 
  Motherboard revision:    2B
  Recapped motherboard:    YES
  Recaooed PSU or new one: YES
  Timming fix:            NO
 
 
 

 
  Interesting - a working 2b. ;) Thanks for the Info. Which PSU do you use? Have you checked the mobo on the backside for the timingfixes?
  http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1233n#possible_required_board_modifications
Thanks :)
 


Otto PS

Posts 22
10 Jul 2020 17:55


Michael AMike wrote:

 
Otto PS wrote:

   
   
    Motherboard revision:    2B
    Recapped motherboard:    YES
    Recaooed PSU or new one: YES
    Timming fix:            NO
   
   
   

   
    Interesting - a working 2b. ;) Thanks for the Info. Which PSU do you use? Have you checked the mobo on the backside for the timingfixes?
    http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1233n#possible_required_board_modifications
  Thanks :)
   
 

 
  Hi, here are som pics of my setup:
 
  A1200 motherboard with a500 keyboard: EXTERNAL LINK 
  A1200 running whdload demo with beta core:
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  A1200 bustest chip after running some demos on whdload:
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  Bench PSU locked @5.00V:
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  If you need more information, I will gladly send it to you. I can also connect my oscilloscope or logic analyzer on the bus I can also do it. (200mhz 2ch with trigger osc and 1ghz 16ch logic analyzer available)

Edit: No timmig fix on motherboard, confirmed.


Dma Con

Posts 16
23 Jul 2020 18:46


Thanks for the update!
 
    * Motherboard revision - 1D4, Commodore Brand
    * Recapped motherboard : yes (ceramic capacitors)
    * Recapped PSU or new one : yes
    * Timing fix : unknown (meaning: i did not check the resistor configuration)
 
  This core works even better than the previous version (i.e. Skaermtrolden Hugo Whdload had blitting issues which are now fixed). No issues with keyboard or anything else.
 
  Can we have the x14 core pleeeeaaase??


Andy Hearn

Posts 317
29 Jul 2020 15:51


hmmm i'm a bit hit and miss with the machine i've stuck my vampire 1200 card in.
 
    * Motherboard revision
  rev 1B
    * Recapped motherboard :  No
    * Recapped PSU or new one : No
    * Timing fix : No
   
  IndivisionAGA Mk2
  Sandisk extreme 32gig CF card on the A1200's standard IDE port
  Ethernet adapter on the ethernet expansion port
  Coclino PS2 mouse adapter + HP optical mouse
  original keyboard
  replacement floppy drive.
 
  i had to flash the 7565 core twice to get it to "stick". first time, it gave me the vampire logo with the startup sound, but no boot, no floppydisk seek chug noise, and no video on the native output.
  second flash, it seemed to take and booted normally.
  1. ran bustest to check the chipram numbers - 7.1meg as expected
  2. ran povray beenchmark - a tiny bit faster, but probably within percentages of margin of error so ... moving on...
  3. ran "reboxer" demo by Elude. some extra graphical ... "glitches" at the edge of the screen for the swirly 3D shape made of "mosquitoes" for want of a better word. on the scene where there is a polygon humanoid figure suspended by strings, some occasional "screen tearing" lines - but can't tell if this is an issue or how it's supposed to look :laughing:
  demo completed succesfully
  4. run Xtreme Racing as i wanted to see if faster chipram would be any benefit in game.
  System Froze. no native video output, no vampire graphics output, and no disk seek chug noises.
 
  rebooted, vampire logo, and startup sound. no boot. no floppy disk seek sound. no native video. Capslock light responds ok. power off and back on. same.
 
  reflashed 7565 core 3 times, still getting just vampire logo and nothing else.
 
  flashed down to 7389B core, system boots fine. flashed back to 7565B, stuck at vampire startup logo and sound.
 
  when i start the reflash process, when the software starts the erase cycle, the floppy disk makes a noise like the machine has rebooted, and the disk seek noise starts. the erase cycle completes, and it starts the programming cycle, the amiga reboots and again the disk seek sound is fine.
  no video output from anything though.
  turn amiga off when flash complete. leave to settle for a minute or so. power on.
 
  vampire logo and start sound. no boot. nothing else. except the capslock light is responding fine

--edit--
i can't get 7565 to start for love nor money. that earlier successful load must have been a total fluke or something. i've re-flashed, and re-flashed and re-flashed, re-downloaded the .jic in case of corruption, reflashed again. no luck.
7389B seems to be where it's at for my rev 1B mainboard.


Taras Shevchenko

Posts 7
05 Aug 2020 19:16


Hola, Amigos!
Finally I've got my V1200, so can participate in all crazy stuff! :)
My feedback on Beta core is very positive.
Have stable machine, no issues at all!

  * Motherboard revision - 2B
  * Recapped motherboard : yes
  * Recapped PSU or new one : new Honeywell PSU (don't remember model)
  * Timing fix : yes
  * If yes : E123 & E125 both R/C totally removed (also had R118 =220ohm + 470ohm soldered to pin 43 of Alice, but removed that part, as did not notice any difference in machine's behaviour).

Best regards!



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