I was curious if Vampire has had a chance to 'splash' at any previous or maybe the upcoming "Revision" demoparty?

While of course there are always 'runs on stock A500' demos being released, there are often AGA+68060 demos winning the competition as well.  Revision might be a good place to showcase the power of the Apollo core via the Vampire?

The next revision party is April 14th-17th, 2017. 

Last year's site:  EXTERNAL LINK 

John

Problem is will an entry be accepted in the Amiga demo compo(s) or should it be entered in the wild compo ?

My thought is maybe 2017 is just a bit too soon, Vampire/Apollo needs to spread more across the classic Amiga community first i think, and the FPU needs to be implemented to make a good showcase.
If sales for A500 and for sure A1200 Vampire are just a success as the A600 i would say revision 2018 would be just right.

Will be taking my A600 with Vampire 2 to next revision party for sure to showcase to all interested.

I know that Skipp from potion is cooking up some stuff (regular visitor on the Apollo IRC channel) and he told me other polish coders are very interested too in vampire/Apollo.
So we'll see what will happen :)

Anyway Revision party is always full of people around Amiga and it would be great, if Apollo team have seminar about their stuff. Please think about it, it would be really great ;o)

This is where my head was at with the recommendation.  SAGA and future upgrades might be nice for future parties, but the chip already appears more than stable enough to replace the Blizzard 68060 accelerators, so why not show case under the "Amiga with 68060" category.. a faster but still stock chipset Amiga?

I am curious how the organizers would handle this. 

First of all the Vampire for A1200 must be mass produced and spread over the amiga users, backward compatibility with 68060 and FPU must be 100%, then some demos might be created sooner or later.

But the Revision would be a very good place to show some Demos in the Wild Competition. Maybe with 68080 + AGA and if available 68080 + SAGA.

Also it could be a good place to hold a workshop in introducing in 68080 assembler coding. All workshops will be recorded and distributed, what will be a nice advertising.

I agree, that Revision 2017 is the place to be, and later in that year, Amiga32 in Neuss.

S-AGA...

2 blitters...

32K data AND instructions caches...

Fused assembler instructions...

AMMX...

. . . AND . . .

64 bit commands too!

I'VE LOST MY MIND ALREADY!

Can't argue with you there :)

(Teasing)

Hee, hee, hee.

Yeah, my posts can, at times (often?), be quite disconcerting. :-D

I dont say sceners wont buy Vampires, of course some may buy it, but this will not replace two current standards "68000/512k + OCS" and "68060/64 MB + AGA". At least until all Blizzards die by age.

Well, I am the Amiga, and one of the Oldschool organizer, so I can tell you:

Any Amiga entry which doesn't run on the current stock compomachines (the A500/1MB/KS1.3, and the A1200/B1260/64MB), will go to the Wild compo, and not to the Amiga compo, and definitely not into the Oldschool compo. Simple as that.

The Apollo accelerators are extremely far from being de facto accepted standards which many demoscene coders are eager to support. There's also no emulators and mature development toolchains out there which supports this core directly, which makes development hard. Also, the hardware includes many additional features aside from just being faster, much like the PPC cards might involve 3D cards, which makes it a different platform on its own to write demos for. Also, being a software defined architecture, it's still not entirely stable. TL;DR: by the current level of maturity, this is really something for the Wild compo.

However we of course won't stop anyone supporting the Apollo core with special codepaths in his demo, until it runs on "stock" hardware as well, as we will present it from the stock hardware. (Compare: Britelite's and Kiero's demos usually run on MorphOS and or OS4 as well, and RTG cards. But they still function on stock 060/AGA.)

The above is true for Revision 2017 and this decision is final. I might reconsider this position in the future as the Amiga scene situation evolves.

About advertising Vampire and Apollo at Revision - maybe you can have a Seminar about it, showcasing the hardware and talking about it. I might be able to contact you to the seminar team, if you want that.

Hey - total respect for the post - thanks for answering!