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Ibrowse 2.5 Vs Netsurf 3.9 Side By Sidepage  1 2 

Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
07 Sep 2019 13:55


Video version of pics  posted by Hugo Pereira in
  Vamped Amiga Telegram X channel
 
  EXTERNAL LINK   
  Music: Lost Patrol Main Theme Remastered
 
  Showcases (opinions are mine not Hugos:
 
  1) AW.net Amiga forum with a bit of censorship
  2) Mobile Facebook - Spyware social net/media
  3) Google - Search engine with ads
 
  Remember, not only in Soviet Union, software spies YOU!
  Except if you use Amiga and alternate websites!
 
  Websites:
  Ibrowse demo and downloads EXTERNAL LINK 
  Netsurf 3.9 AmigaOS official and sources EXTERNAL LINK 
  Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK


John William

Posts 453
07 Sep 2019 18:20


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

    Video version of pics  posted by Hugo Pereira in
      Vamped Amiga Telegram X channel
     
      EXTERNAL LINK       
      Music: Lost Patrol Main Theme Remastered
     
      Showcases (opinions are mine not Hugos:
     
      1) AW.net Amiga forum with a bit of censorship
      2) Mobile Facebook - Spyware social net/media
      3) Google - Search engine with ads
     
      Remember, not only in Soviet Union, software spies YOU!
      Except if you use Amiga and alternate websites!
     
      Websites:
      Ibrowse demo and downloads EXTERNAL LINK     
      Netsurf 3.9 AmigaOS official and sources EXTERNAL LINK     
      Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK   

   
    I subscribed to Arczi monthly donation.  I suggest each one of us do the same. If a total of 100 people donate just 20 bucks a month (think of it as a bill expense) to Arczi monthly he will make a total of 2,000 dollars a month. Think of the many games/apps he ported to the Amiga:
   
    Zelda series, Caveman, netsurf, etc.
   
    Picture many more he will bring if we constantly support him. Picture how better Netsurf will be if we support him. I have been able to view youtube the way it is, gmail, I have been able to browse ghitub or whatever it is called just like my laptop and view the source codes just fine.
   
    That is just the infancy of netsurf..imagine if we support it more, by supporting arczi..he will be able to activate java in later future, he will open up new features which means we will actually have a chrome like or firefox like browser for the Amiga 68k. The endless possibilities...well...endless.
   


Rob M

Posts 49
07 Sep 2019 18:23


It would be nice to see the speed at which each browser loads pages that IBrowse can render correctly.


John William

Posts 453
07 Sep 2019 18:25


Rob M wrote:

It would be nice to see the speed at which each browser loads pages that IBrowse can render correctly.

Give it time....there is so much one person can do. Besides...it maybe faster with v4 who knows...there is a race now between software and hardware...be patient...enjoy the OTHER POSITIVE attributes of netsurf  that is more superior over ibrowse. The only thing now ibrowse hold strong over netsurf is speed ....


Tim Trepanier

Posts 71
07 Sep 2019 18:38


John William wrote:
he will be able to activate java in later future   

Do you mean javascript? Java is dead on the web. It's a major security problem and all major browsers have removed it.



John William

Posts 453
07 Sep 2019 19:32


Tim Trepanier wrote:

John William wrote:
he will be able to activate java in later future   
 

 
  Do you mean javascript? Java is dead on the web. It's a major security problem and all major browsers have removed it.
 

Javascript, yes.


Artur Jarosik

Posts 43
07 Sep 2019 20:25


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

  Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK

That is link to Chris's Young version.

Mine is here EXTERNAL LINK


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4182
07 Sep 2019 21:26


The idea to compare is good.
  Maybe less fading in, so one can better see the comparison
  and maybe testing more popular websites like e.g. :
 
  EBAY
  AMAZON
  CNN.com
  slashdot.com
  theregister.co.uk
  YOUTUBE
  and of course apollo-accelerators.com


John William

Posts 453
07 Sep 2019 23:23


OP can you use Artur version and do what Gunnar suggested and make new videos?


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
07 Sep 2019 23:46


Rob M wrote:

It would be nice to see the speed at which each browser loads pages that IBrowse can render correctly.

Ibrowse is waaay faster at heavy price. I dont have elgato or some good enough sw video recorder for m68k, just like you.

You can ask MsMad Lemon, she has necessary equip.
EXTERNAL LINK 


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
07 Sep 2019 23:46


Artur Jarosik wrote:

 
Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

    Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK
 

  That is link to Chris's Young version.
 
  Mine is here EXTERNAL LINK 

 
  My bad, thanks. On the video I hope I got it correctly, unlike the post.

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

The idea to compare is good.
    Maybe less fading in, so one can better see the comparison
    and maybe testing more popular websites like e.g. :
   
    EBAY
    AMAZON
    CNN.com
    slashdot.com
    theregister.co.uk
    YOUTUBE
    and of course apollo-accelerators.com

You could ask MsMad Lemon (Maddie if I got name right), would be sweet. Ibrowse has a flash plugin to test :)


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
08 Sep 2019 00:00


Tim Trepanier wrote:

John William wrote:
he will be able to activate java in later future   
 

 
  Do you mean javascript? Java is dead on the web. It's a major security problem and all major browsers have removed it.
 

Arti loves you :)
sobota, 7 września 2019
Netsurf 3.10 Dev

  * Updated to newest sources.
  * Integrated AmiSSL 4.3 for https support. Note: make sure you have current time and local region set on your WB.
  * Enabled very basic JavaScript support (default is off).


Thomas Blatt

Posts 156
08 Sep 2019 09:25


Netsurf 3.10 works not stable. I tried it


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
08 Sep 2019 13:40


Thomas Blatt wrote:

Netsurf 3.10 works not stable. I tried it

Yes its development release. Report bugs to arti and it shall be "ironed". Javascript Is first time on Amiga, so itd understandable


Robert Markus

Posts 9
09 Sep 2019 13:42


John William wrote:

Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

    Video version of pics  posted by Hugo Pereira in
        Vamped Amiga Telegram X channel
       
        EXTERNAL LINK       
        Music: Lost Patrol Main Theme Remastered
       
        Showcases (opinions are mine not Hugos:
       
        1) AW.net Amiga forum with a bit of censorship
        2) Mobile Facebook - Spyware social net/media
        3) Google - Search engine with ads
       
        Remember, not only in Soviet Union, software spies YOU!
        Except if you use Amiga and alternate websites!
       
      Websites:
      Ibrowse demo and downloads EXTERNAL LINK     
      Netsurf 3.9 AmigaOS official and sources EXTERNAL LINK     
      Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK     

   
    I subscribed to Arczi monthly donation.  I suggest each one of us do the same. If a total of 100 people donate just 20 bucks a month (think of it as a bill expense) to Arczi monthly he will make a total of 2,000 dollars a month. Think of the many games/apps he ported to the Amiga:
   
    Zelda series, Caveman, netsurf, etc.
   
    Picture many more he will bring if we constantly support him. Picture how better Netsurf will be if we support him. I have been able to view youtube the way it is, gmail, I have been able to browse ghitub or whatever it is called just like my laptop and view the source codes just fine.
   
    That is just the infancy of netsurf..imagine if we support it more, by supporting arczi..he will be able to activate java in later future, he will open up new features which means we will actually have a chrome like or firefox like browser for the Amiga 68k. The endless possibilities...well...endless.
   

I have made a small amount of donate too.
It should be advertises on vampire fb group where are almost 2000 member.
If everyone donate 1 buck pro month it gives the 2000/month :)



John William

Posts 453
09 Sep 2019 17:59


Robert Markus wrote:

John William wrote:

 
Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

      Video version of pics  posted by Hugo Pereira in
        Vamped Amiga Telegram X channel
       
        EXTERNAL LINK         
        Music: Lost Patrol Main Theme Remastered
       
        Showcases (opinions are mine not Hugos:
       
        1) AW.net Amiga forum with a bit of censorship
        2) Mobile Facebook - Spyware social net/media
        3) Google - Search engine with ads
       
        Remember, not only in Soviet Union, software spies YOU!
        Except if you use Amiga and alternate websites!
       
        Websites:
        Ibrowse demo and downloads EXTERNAL LINK       
        Netsurf 3.9 AmigaOS official and sources EXTERNAL LINK       
        Artis Netsurf 3.9 supporting Vampire  EXTERNAL LINK     

     
      I subscribed to Arczi monthly donation.  I suggest each one of us do the same. If a total of 100 people donate just 20 bucks a month (think of it as a bill expense) to Arczi monthly he will make a total of 2,000 dollars a month. Think of the many games/apps he ported to the Amiga:
     
      Zelda series, Caveman, netsurf, etc.
     
      Picture many more he will bring if we constantly support him. Picture how better Netsurf will be if we support him. I have been able to view youtube the way it is, gmail, I have been able to browse ghitub or whatever it is called just like my laptop and view the source codes just fine.
     
      That is just the infancy of netsurf..imagine if we support it more, by supporting arczi..he will be able to activate java in later future, he will open up new features which means we will actually have a chrome like or firefox like browser for the Amiga 68k. The endless possibilities...well...endless.
     
 

 
  I have made a small amount of donate too.
  It should be advertises on vampire fb group where are almost 2000 member.
  If everyone donate 1 buck pro month it gives the 2000/month :)
 

Let us doooooooooo iiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
12 Sep 2019 13:01


Most important - Artis patron page
EXTERNAL LINK 
Added to video description and comments

Will join it in 2020


Rob M

Posts 49
12 Sep 2019 21:18


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

Rob M wrote:

  It would be nice to see the speed at which each browser loads pages that IBrowse can render correctly.
 

 
  Ibrowse is waaay faster at heavy price. I dont have elgato or some good enough sw video recorder for m68k, just like you.
 
  You can ask MsMad Lemon, she has necessary equip.
  EXTERNAL LINK 

I just wanted to know if IB was faster because it could mean that IB3 would be faster too but it's pretty moot now since the Amiga News de interview with Oliver Roberts were he said there is no guarantee that IB3 will ever happen. 

Better to support those that are actively working on a compliant browser.



Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1428
12 Sep 2019 21:52


I suppose 3.0 is heavily dependent on current Ibrowse sales, nothing against that. Just kind a feel its OS4 users bullet, once TW is abandoned, as well as Odyssey port to OS4.

Again: Ibrowse has faster render and is more lightweight, but its kinda expected since has older HTML engine etc.
 
  I wonder how does it compete to my fav of days
  Voyager NG!
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  Major changes to Voyager since Version 1.0:
 
  · Supports Frames as introduced by Netscape 2.x.
 
  · Supports Secure Socket Layer SSL encrypted
    http transfers ("https:" scheme). Uses full
    strength 128 bit encryption. Can use the MiamiSSL
    library provided with Miami 2.1 to support SSL
    even for US citizens.
 
  · Uses internal image decoding routines for JPEG, GIF (non-USA
    version only) and PNG. Visually incremental on-the-fly image decoding,
    leaving the program operational during decode. No more hassle with
    datatypes related bugs. Optimized memory usage. The routines are
    optimized for speed and are very fast. Full support of
    CyberGFX and Picasso 96 HiColor/TrueColor screens.
 
  · Supports HTML tables. Many more HTML commands
    and Netscapism's are understood (including FONT SIZE and
    HR WIDTH). Improved general compatibility with broken
    and nonstandard HTML code.
 
  · Supports versatile plugin interface for vanilla
    extensions
 
  · Shipped with a web search engine plugin
 
  · Supports T/TCP "TCP for Transactions" requests,
    allowing for much faster establishment of HTTP links
    to servers. This is currently supported by
    Miami 2.x only. Specified in RFC 1644. As far as
    we know, Voyager is the first browser on any
    platform supporting this!
 
  · Totally reworked preference setting. The transfer anim is
    now configurable, too.
 
  · Supports Shift & Click downloading of files even from
    servers with broken configuration which state
    that binary data is of type "text/plain" (which
    happens frequently with .lha and .lzx files,
    because these suffixes are missing in many
    http server example mime.types files)
 
  · Popup menus for links offering link specific options.
 
  · Added internal SMTP send capability. Also
    supports mailto: forms now. Improved news
    handling.
 
  · Many minor enhancements, and of course
    All The Popular Bugs were fixed, too.
 
  A full list of changes is included in the archive.
 
 
  That would be fairer compo :) To Voyager side!


John William

Posts 453
13 Sep 2019 00:48


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

I suppose 3.0 is heavily dependent on current Ibrowse sales, nothing against that. Just kind a feel its OS4 users bullet, once TW is abandoned, as well as Odyssey port to OS4.
 
  Again: Ibrowse has faster render and is more lightweight, but its kinda expected since has older HTML engine etc.
 
  I wonder how does it compete to my fav of days
  Voyager NG!
  EXTERNAL LINK   
  Major changes to Voyager since Version 1.0:
 
  · Supports Frames as introduced by Netscape 2.x.
 
  · Supports Secure Socket Layer SSL encrypted
    http transfers ("https:" scheme). Uses full
    strength 128 bit encryption. Can use the MiamiSSL
    library provided with Miami 2.1 to support SSL
    even for US citizens.
 
  · Uses internal image decoding routines for JPEG, GIF (non-USA
    version only) and PNG. Visually incremental on-the-fly image decoding,
    leaving the program operational during decode. No more hassle with
    datatypes related bugs. Optimized memory usage. The routines are
    optimized for speed and are very fast. Full support of
    CyberGFX and Picasso 96 HiColor/TrueColor screens.
 
  · Supports HTML tables. Many more HTML commands
    and Netscapism's are understood (including FONT SIZE and
    HR WIDTH). Improved general compatibility with broken
    and nonstandard HTML code.
 
  · Supports versatile plugin interface for vanilla
    extensions
 
  · Shipped with a web search engine plugin
 
  · Supports T/TCP "TCP for Transactions" requests,
    allowing for much faster establishment of HTTP links
    to servers. This is currently supported by
    Miami 2.x only. Specified in RFC 1644. As far as
    we know, Voyager is the first browser on any
    platform supporting this!
 
  · Totally reworked preference setting. The transfer anim is
    now configurable, too.
 
  · Supports Shift & Click downloading of files even from
    servers with broken configuration which state
    that binary data is of type "text/plain" (which
    happens frequently with .lha and .lzx files,
    because these suffixes are missing in many
    http server example mime.types files)
 
  · Popup menus for links offering link specific options.
 
  · Added internal SMTP send capability. Also
    supports mailto: forms now. Improved news
    handling.
 
  · Many minor enhancements, and of course
    All The Popular Bugs were fixed, too.
 
  A full list of changes is included in the archive.
 
 
  That would be fairer compo :) To Voyager side!

pfff...voyagor......

here is what we should...make a kickstarter campaign...get enough money...hire competent assembly/c programmer for Amiga...

merge Chris and Artur into one SUPER BROWSER. What do I mean by that? Chris browser version have what ibrowse have..light weight, MUI, menu, ability to open multiple tab, etc, etc, etc.....but it is sooo buggy...so .......defective...unstable...etc....it just....aaaah!

Take Arti's superior version and take that engine and put the skin of Chris's interface and have a good download management system like you see in modern browsers or even what you see in iBrowse and you my friend have the "iBrowse 4.0 Professional Edition" for the Amiga 68k exclusive. If you know what I mean. Now make this browser super smart...much like the current one you see now with Arti's version...it either throws a balloon bubble telling you a new version of Netsurf is available and you click on the balloon bubble and it sends you to a link where you download the new full executable package. You download it..install it...and poof bang you get new version of the browser...OR it prompts a dialog box saying you have new version of Netsurf like you have now and simply updates the new changes and bang..bingo.

Now your Amiga's 68k browser problem is no more..it is catching up with modern platforms for better browser for the Amiga 68k platform and it behaves like a normal modern standard devices you see in 2019. This grabbing for old browsers like ibrowse or voyager becomes unnecessary and even you feel..silly grabbing for obsolete......unsupported platform.  You might even go as far as request aminet to delete these outdated browsers from the network so they disappear from human history.

I say...if we all work together..holding hand, mind and body and link like one giant network..make the best flash kickstarter campaign and get the best programmers out there...we may have better browsers even than AmigaOS 4.x or MorphOS.....they might even ask to have our browsers be ported TO THEIR PLATFORM.....

I don't mind such browser to achieve perfection by being a commercial browser (Netsurf) that comes in disc or digital download...as long as it is light years ahead of ibrowse then it is worth every dime spend buying it. We already spending on hardware, why not software?


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