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Coffin OS Upgarde to WB 3.1.4 - Tips

Allan Versaevel

Posts 111
03 Nov 2018 16:24


Hi,
           
            I just wanted to give all of you a tip if you plan on updating the Coffin OS to WB 3.1.4. Currently, I discovered two things that need to be changed to have proper and smooth operation with the latest Workbench 3.1.4 release.
           
            1) The new Setpatch has a different syntax than previous versions. I have not investigated this in detail, but to prevent Setpatch from failing due to this, I simply use "C:Setpatch >NIL:" in place of the Coffin OS entry "C:Setpatch SKIPROMUPDATES QUIET"
           
            2) There seems to be an issue with the new 3.1.4 icon.library and the Coffin OS, could be Picasso96 related, I am not sure. What happens is for one, your WB Disk icons will be in a slightly different postion on boot (after the install), Secondly, there is an odd Icon delay when opening folders. To get around this, simply use the Coffin OS installed icon.library (replacing the WB 3.1.4 installed copy).
           
            I recommend using the Aminet tool UpdateTo314. It will use the WB 3.1.4 install disks and copy what is needed without replacing your existing icons and their positions that the regular Installer would do. When finished, make sure you replace the installed S:Startup-sequence with your Coffin OS startup-sequence before rebooting after the install.
   
    Though I didn't have any major issues, make sure you back up your Coffin OS before attempting to run UpdateTo314. You have been warned :)
             
    UpdateTo314:
           
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Eric Gus

Posts 477
04 Nov 2018 09:22


Im still trying to find a valid reason to upgrade to 3.1.4 other than allows larger partitions .. I'm coming up short.. perhaps I am just not seeing the value..


Roger Andre Lassen

Posts 150
04 Nov 2018 11:04


How about you just support the Amiga developers instead of complaining. Maybe the next update will satisfy your needs.


David Wright

Posts 373
04 Nov 2018 13:14


That’s a complaint?



Allan Versaevel

Posts 111
04 Nov 2018 14:28


For me the  greater than 4GB Disk limit is enough to warrant the upgrade. For example, I have several very large partition sizes (by Amiga standards) that are over 2GB (largest partition size allowed under OS 3.1). All is fine if I boot with all patches installed. But if I boot my computer without them, lets say using Workbench Disks or the Early Start-up Menu, these partitions will not be accessible and will not even show up. Which sucks for me since my Backup partition is 4 GB+ in size. So if I want to restore my system, I need to go through an elaborate ritual to get the older Kickstart ROMs to use the larger partition. The convenience of having large disk support built-in to the New Kickstart Rom is worth the upgrade in my opinion. Plus other patches needed to fix old bugs present in KS 3.1 are no longer needed. There are also small tweaks and improvements to the disk based commands and programs too.
           
            For me the upgrade is worth it, but alas this my opinion, others will vary (plus supporting future OS 3.x development is also nice benefit too).


Sean Sk

Posts 488
04 Nov 2018 22:04


Can we please not derail this thread about whether OS 3.1.4 is worth it or not? Go start another thread on the subject. This is a technical help thread about how to use it's files in OS 3.9. Let's leave it on that. Don't force people to sift through bullcrap to get to the parts that help with the subject.
   


Ronnie Beck
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 199
05 Nov 2018 12:20


Eric Gus wrote:

Im still trying to find a valid reason to upgrade to 3.1.4 other than allows larger partitions .. I'm coming up short.. perhaps I am just not seeing the value..

If you are using OS3.9/Coffin and has been thus far happy with it, I would agree that switching to 3.1.4 seems like a lot of effort for not much gained.  Actually, transitioning from os3.9 is functionally a backward step.  But there are people who don't like OS3.9/Coffin and so an update to their preferred 3.1 (fixing long term standing and critical bugs) is welcomed.  But if you never really suffered from these bugs.......I am included to agree to agree with you to some extent.

Still OS3.9 is unlikely to be continued for various reasons and 3.1.4 is the new beginning.......if Hyperion really would do more development.

Roger Andre Lassen wrote:

How about you just support the Amiga developers instead of complaining. Maybe the next update will satisfy your needs.

I can understand why people think paying for the update will incentivise Hyperion to make more updates.  I will be pleasantly surprised if this happens though.  This post below gives the impression that Hyperion weren't really the one's pushing to release a new version of OS3 but rather charitable developers:

https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=73661.msg840538#msg840538

Quote: "The whole thing is under development for 3 years now, so nobody was on a rush creating it. The original idea, put forward by Olaf back then, was to fix only seriously broken issues of 3.1"

On the other hand, blindly paying for something that you don't need to support a company who has done very little in the last decade for OS3 seems like religious fervor.  Better would be that Hyperion released stuff that people wanted, paid for by the users because they wanted it and that the release represented value for money.  Is that possible in this scene?  I don't really know.  OS 3.1.4 doesn't even come with ROMS currently and while the fixes are very important, I can't say to anyone "You need to buy this.  It is awesome!".  And it looks like the fixes were already written by volunteers.  It doesn't speak to much in the way of commercial motivation.  Sure Hyperion isn't a charity which should do work for next to nothing, but then the users are also not donors ( can I say " who are supporting starving Belgians"?  :-D ).

That said I happily dished out for a copy of 3.1.4 even though I own and am perfectly happy with OS3.9.  Take that as hypocrisy if you will.


Ronnie Beck
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 199
05 Nov 2018 12:26


sean sk wrote:

Can we please not derail this thread about whether OS 3.1.4 is worth it or not? Go start another thread on the subject. This is a technical help thread about how to use it's files in OS 3.9. Let's leave it on that. Don't force people to sift through bullcrap to get to the parts that help with the subject.
     

The main point is at the top.  No sifting required.  Maybe the WIKI page could be updated with this information though.  I think the sifting is less of a problem than having to mentally merge multiple sources of information is more inhibiting.


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
05 Nov 2018 16:56


Roger Andre Lassen wrote:

    How about you just support the Amiga developers instead of complaining. Maybe the next update will satisfy your needs.
   

   
    I agree but with complain you are too harshly answering. Since I do use 3.9+ there is no reason to update. New iconset and improved disc doctor, even large hdd support are all old news to OS 3.9 users.
   
    If there was a parth to update, they could do better.
   
    Other reason is quite stiff price for such small update, while as far as I understand, developers gave their work for free, so its all for sustainability of Hyperion (and there is my personal ground - no support until OS 4.2 and TW done or Octamed/PPaint/Cinema4D etc. development - not just enhancers and one improved 3D driver for money milking).
   
    All the best for those who go that path, I see no reason why. I have left OS 3.1 once I had installed OS 3.5.

And agreed, no further should be said in this thread.

Continue with tech support "how to" install ROM that has missing libs and few floppies/ADFs of update.


Michael Borrmann

Posts 140
09 Nov 2018 08:03


Personally, I like the ability to move windows out of the visible screen.


Allan Versaevel

Posts 111
09 Nov 2018 12:42


I haven't tried this yet since it requires a reboot (no big deal really). I shall try this soon since you just reminded me of this new feature. Thanks :)


Vojin Vidanovic
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Posts 1916/ 1
09 Nov 2018 19:40


Michael Borrmann wrote:

Personally, I like the ability to move windows out of the visible screen.

That is indeed a new feature. But a bit useless.
Extended multimonitor display support, dual gfx card support being native+RTG etg. would be "da new thang". This is "in-candy-line".



MartinTomas Steffen

Posts 61
11 Nov 2018 13:54


What Version of OS3.1.4 do i have to buy. Will A1200 Version work for my Vampire 500 V2 ? I want to use it also in my Amiga 1200 and i dont want to buy it 2 times


Allan Versaevel

Posts 111
11 Nov 2018 16:24


The Apollo Team and Hyperion recommends the A1200 ROM for use with the Vampire.


Allan Versaevel

Posts 111
11 Nov 2018 18:42


I just released I misspelled "Upgrade" in the topic. It was worded "Upgarde". My typing skills and dyslexia strike again! 

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