I'm sure a lot of people share the same enthusiasm but as far as the OS is concerned, neither Cloanto nor Hyperion appear to have the will nor the resources to drive things forward.

AROS has always been an interesting option on the sidelines, but its main value is that it makes the legacy OS platform agnostic - still largely a sideways move.

However, more users with capable machines means a larger market and more demand for change. In that regard, the Vampire is a godsend.

regards,
Alan from OZ

I could name a long list of developers who left AmigaOS for *BSD and Linux specifically because of the OS itself, because of its limitations and also because of its legal status. And if you talk with any random software developer today, and get them interested in Amiga, AROS or MorphOS, their interest vanishes quickly when they realise what limitations they will have to deal with.

As for limitations, I still think that that's a lack of using creativity to bypass them.

Using a MMU for the purposes of security, well, that's just never going to be something AOS (1-3) is capable of, no matter how you slice it.

Kolbjørn Barmen wrote:

And if you talk with any random software developer today, and get them interested in Amiga, AROS or MorphOS, their interest vanishes quickly when they realise what limitations they will have to deal with.

I think that what Apollo Core is offering, so vastly increases AMIGA's "bag of tricks" that the preponderance of users just won't care.

Heh, if you say so.

Alan Haynes (read his great posts), many others and I think that something else is going on here....

(As I mentioned in another post, take for example Raspberry Pi (3). It's ONLY ASSET, it has ONLY ONE ASSET, and that is it's PRICE TAG.)

By extension, I would suggest that adopting Linux as the core for AOS (a la Gateway circa late 90s) would propel things forward significantly.

There are no prohibitive legal issues and any concerns are quickly abated when revenue is to be gained.

Once again, we're really talking about apples and oranges. Accelerating legacy systems is a major boon but maintaining the status quo for the OS is not in anyone's best interest.

What? That makes zero sense to me. Amithlon showed what is possible?

If you build AROS to run big-endian on ARM, and provide emulation layer, you could have achieve what MorphOS and OS4 are doing, and run 68k native software too.

If you want Linux, buy a cheap ARM Linux box.

This thread is about Apollo Core for other platforms - so your logic should be reversed.
If you want Apollo Core to work with anything besides AmigaOS - implement the darn MMU.

Gunnar told that there is still enough space in the FPGA to implement the PMMU. It's only a question of interest, priority and ressources.

The title of this thread is "Other 68k Platforms - NeXT Sun3x", meaning Unix machines. This is odd because descendants of these operating systems are still in production.

There is no value in reviving Unix for 68K.

This thread also entirely misses one of the fundamental foundations of Unix: If you've got the source code, build the software for whatever platform you have.

This thread is also premature because the Vampire isn't running in the Atari 68K machines yet.

Why don't you suggest something realistic?  There is an Amiga version of NetBSD.  Try it out on a 68k with an MMU and tell me how well it runs.

P.S. Then there's COMPLETE LOSS of all old software.... To get, SMP and OpenGL? I still believe that there's some DIFFERENT WAY to get original AOS to use SMP. Not genuine SMP, but still achieving what we want, more performance.

Honestly, who cares about running old software? Legacy compatibility can be preserved through emulation or by enhancing existing hardware.

The reality is, the existing OS has very little to leverage. So you either start from scratch and reinvent the wheel or adopt a donor host and backfill.