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Samuel Crow

Posts 424
15 Apr 2016 18:24


Atheist will probably only pay sales tax.  Kipper2k lives in Canada.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
15 Apr 2016 22:01


Hi Samuel,

Here in Canada we have a country wide tax of 5% and then each province has an additional tax, too. British Columbia's is 7%. (Just found out that "accommodation tax" is 8% plus up to 3 more (also 5% national tax). What a SCAM.) Used to be that if you buy something from another province that you didn't have to pay provincial tax, just the nation wide tax. Now 5 of our 10 provinces have a single unified tax. I think that Kipper2k lives in Ontario, and they have a unified tax that is 13%. That will add $93 to the price. Then there's shipping, about $25 to $50.

720
+93
+50
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863

However, here EXTERNAL LINK it says that only the provincial tax is paid, so in British Columbia, not including the national tax, because ours isn't a unified tax. So, 7%.

I remember brand new 68060 accelerators that would have cost $1,500 to $2,000 to buy in the 1990s and HARD TO GET as they were only available by mail order.

This is still very cheap by comparison.

Mind you, if compared to what could be bought today made by competitors, it isn't. But, they aren't selling Amigas. There is no computer out there, even if you spent $6,000, that could match (emulate) the performance of a ~400 MHz "68060" with S-AGA activated....

And that Raspberry Pi toy, need not apply.


Gregthe Canuck

Posts 274
15 Apr 2016 22:36


Hi Gunnar -

Thanks for breakdown of your high end idea.

Could you advise which Altera series you are thinking of using? I believe a high speed DDR3 interface rules out the Cyclones.

Is the DDR3 interface going to be 64 bit?
Is Ethernet planned?
Would the audio output continue to be DIGITAL-VIDEO only?

I guess for lack of a better term this would be the Vampire III. Still the same idea as I/II series - piggy-back on CPU?

Thanks



Michal Warzecha

Posts 209
16 Apr 2016 07:14


Don't worry about Your taxes. In Poland You have- 23%VAT tax, and 19% of what You earn on product. So, if Majsta want to sell Vampire for me here in Poland and want for it (for example) 100$, He must sell it for 142$. That's are TAXes ;)Of course in legal company-customer way.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
16 Apr 2016 08:16


Please lets focus on AMIGA / APOLLO / TECHNICAL details.
Please lets avoid off topic talks like different tax rates.
Thierry please focus on the topic.

Regarding the questions.

* Memory Speed.
Yes - from the CPU point of view the memory is 64bit wide.

We talk about Vampire for A1200 and Standalone Vampire here.




Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
16 Apr 2016 08:52


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Please lets avoid off topic talks like different tax rates.
Thierry please focus on the topic.

You are right.

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Regarding the questions.

We talk about Vampire for A1200 and Standalone Vampire here.


Gunnar, well, that's new information right there!!!!

You've just "let the cat out of the bag", and made thousands of people very very happy!


Amiga 4Life

Posts 101
16 Apr 2016 11:43


@gunnar....
 
  If this card is for A1200 drop the sata interface and give us Gigabit ethernet....if anybody needs large
  storage they can use a lan drive...ethernet is more useful, it will show the Apollo's ability to cope with todays multi-media
  demands,broadband,youtube,google maps,ip streaming services,graphic intensive websites.... I want more than
  just a benchmark card....
  I want to see Apollo cpu & AmigaOs 3.x handle the internet...I dont see the advatage of a sata in my a1200...(imho)
  (a HIGH-END Accelerator with roughly 3 times the current performance)...
 


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
16 Apr 2016 11:49


1) But A1200 has good working internet already.
Available PCMCIA cards are fast enough for normal web surfing.
 
2) The included SDCARD interface can be used to attach Wifi cards
With Wifi you have another nice internet option.


Tango One

Posts 102
16 Apr 2016 17:36


isn't this kind of speed on a card something that should be used on a stand-alone unit. ?

But I dont mind the price but I would prefer to have this on a stand-alone unit like "natami like apollo".




Johannes Schäfer

Posts 47
16 Apr 2016 17:54


As PPC cards are going for 1250€, I agree that there is a small market today for this supercard at the price of 500€.
 
  But please deliver the Vampire II cards for all Amigas first.
 
  Please keep in mind, that without the software the hardware is not very usefull.
 
  This supercard is something for developers (today, for normal customer in 2017/2018)
 
  Thanks, just my two cent


James Conwell

Posts 8
16 Apr 2016 18:01


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

gregthe canuck wrote:

  High end sounds good. Could you provide a bit more detail on:
 
    - what do you mean by significant? Twice the price? 5 times?
    - the FPGA you plan to use
    - the memory type/speed you plan to use (different from V2?)
 
  Thanks
 

 
 
  The plan is the create the world fastest FPGA based CPU card.
 
  Our idea includes
 
  Apollo-CPU with speed grade ~ 400 MHz 68060
  Internal CPU caches of size Icache=64KB / DCache=256KB
  1024 MB DDR3 Memory at 1600MHz
  DIGITAL-VIDEO with Truecolor and FullHD
  SDCard
  SATA-Interface
 
  As price we target 500 Euro
 

I would very happily pay a smeasly 500 Euro for such a card!
I would happily pay more if it came with 1000k internet.
I would happily pay more if it came as a standalone unit.  My caps will probably have all failed by the time you produce these cards.

Secret hint: USB is great.  But it is real easy to boot an Amiga off of a PS2/port in a quick and reliable way.  Also PS/2 ports work and "think" the way Amiga ports do.


James Conwell

Posts 8
16 Apr 2016 18:24


Amiga 4Life wrote:

    @gunnar....
     
      If this card is for A1200 drop the sata interface
   

    Why not have both?
   
    I would love to have a  nice juicy 2TB SATA SSD on my miggy!
   
   
wrote:

    I dont see the advatage of a sata in my a1200...(imho)

   
    Try harder.
   
    I don't see the advatage of a IDE v1.0 polled NO-DMA, slow-motion controller in my A1200/a4000/A600
   
   
    I agree we need GigaBit Internet.
   


Captain Zalo

Posts 71
17 Apr 2016 06:58


Johannes Schäfer wrote:

    As PPC cards are going for 1250€, I agree that there is a small market today for this supercard at the price of 500€.
   
    But please deliver the Vampire II cards for all Amigas first.
   
    Please keep in mind, that without the software the hardware is not very usefull.
   
    This supercard is something for developers (today, for normal customer in 2017/2018)
   
    Thanks, just my two cent
 

 
  I don't agree with this. I see your points, but I'll try to explain what and why I don't agree.
 
  In my opinion (as an enduser):
  Don't waste more time on legacy hardware plugins. It's good for hammering out bugs and whatnot with the vampire accellerators, but it's also flogging of a dying horse and takes time from development of a stand-alone system, supercharged or not.
  The old amigas are slowly dying. A self-contained board that can be flashed with bugfixes and corechanges is a better option.
  I know a lot of the community has warm feelings towards their hacked legacy hardware, but if you want a faster and more capable amiga, a standalone board is the way to go. Different types of accellerators takes time to make and most of us will end up buying a standalone board anyway, making the accelleratorcard a station between stations, prolonging the goal - a working, up to date platform running the software we love.
  A separate developer version is also piss in the ocean imho if the standalone board can be flashed with HDL updates for more functionality.
 
  Personal note:
  If the aXk boards are not made before a standalone version, very few tears will be shed. Most of the community have a500's and a1200s. To be honest, several probably bought a600s from ebay amd the likes for the vampire2. If some of the 1200-owners are remotely like me, the ancient, rotting mainboard is hardly recognizable after all the modifications made.
  I'd love to donate my a1200 plastic tower to the Apollo team if a standalone board can come faster to market, as I basically want my old hardware to die with grace and honor for a better cause. What I care about is the software, and all that is already backed up.


Mr-Z EdgeOfPanic

Posts 189
17 Apr 2016 10:42


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  The plan is the create the world fastest FPGA based CPU card.
 
  Our idea includes
 
  Apollo-CPU with speed grade ~ 400 MHz 68060
  Internal CPU caches of size Icache=64KB / DCache=256KB
  1024 MB DDR3 Memory at 1600MHz
  DIGITAL-VIDEO with Truecolor and FullHD
  SDCard
  SATA-Interface
 
  As price we target 500 Euro
 

I like this idea, and I would pay the 500 euro's for it as it will totally replace my Blizzard PPC card and be (a lot) faster too.
Plus it fits in the original A1200 case no need for a tower anymore.
Because of the SATA interface a SSD can be added that will fit nicely on the original HD mounts in the A1200 case.

A question that does rises, what about power consumption will the original PSU be able to feed this beast ?
And i wonder about  the heat development with the much faster FPGA.



Wawa T

Posts 695
17 Apr 2016 13:25


@cpt zalo

>Don't waste more time on legacy hardware plugins.

not even taking into account the users expectations, exactly wasting time with a complex all in one solution has proven too complicted for years to pass. such a solution should and can be developed while providing extentions for genuine hardware and learning sbout the corner cases software may depend upon. it shouldnt be impatiently forced through.


Amiga 4Life

Posts 101
17 Apr 2016 16:23


@Captain Zalo

(just opinion)
keep in mind that the classic community is weak right now..these apollo cards are restoring interest
,faith,understanding,,recognition (fastest fpga cpu), allowing coders to build a software base for a
better cpu core/Saga, attracting new/ returning Amigans to the next level in the amiga concept,increasing
  Apollo cpu sales....(this is preparing the market for standalone board)...

It may be easier/cheaper to get people to sell those amigas they have in storage and build from there...
i'm willing to bet that there are at least 2,000+ classic amigas out here that are not being used.If you check
  ebay they are constantly being sold...the Apollo team has to get as many Apollo cpus on the desktop
as fast as they can whether its in a classic or standalone system...

classic Amiga respresents the retro arena...there is a market here and apollo cards will energize it.
Apollo cards allow us to take an obsolete computer and make use of it by todays multimedia standards...
it will give current users a 'sneak peek' on what Saga is, and can it go mainstream....

A Super Apollo cpu card is going to rock the FPGA community..the fastest fpga cpu in the world...(only Amiga)...

A standalone board requires marketing,adverting,new software,lots of resources...and then must
  turn out a profit.(if you want to be taken seriously)....

Sales from the Apollo cards will give the team a better idea on the size of the community and a
projection on a what standalone board might be able to do...


James Conwell

Posts 8
18 Apr 2016 14:14


Mr-Z EdgeOfPanic wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
  The plan is the create the world fastest FPGA based CPU card.
 
  Our idea includes
 
  Apollo-CPU with speed grade ~ 400 MHz 68060
  Internal CPU caches of size Icache=64KB / DCache=256KB
  1024 MB DDR3 Memory at 1600MHz
  DIGITAL-VIDEO with Truecolor and FullHD
  SDCard
  SATA-Interface
 
  As price we target 500 Euro
 
 

 
  I like this idea, and I would pay the 500 euro's for it as it will totally replace my Blizzard PPC card and be (a lot) faster too.
  Plus it fits in the original A1200 case no need for a tower anymore.
  Because of the SATA interface a SSD can be added that will fit nicely on the original HD mounts in the A1200 case.
 
  A question that does rises, what about power consumption will the original PSU be able to feed this beast ?
  And i wonder about  the heat development with the much faster FPGA.

My only complaint is the lack of a CopyBack Cache and lack of a basic simple MMU for debugging purposes only.


John Mautz

Posts 35
19 Apr 2016 05:01


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
  The plan is the create the world fastest FPGA based CPU card.
 
  Our idea includes
 
  Apollo-CPU with speed grade ~ 400 MHz 68060
  Internal CPU caches of size Icache=64KB / DCache=256KB
  1024 MB DDR3 Memory at 1600MHz
  DIGITAL-VIDEO with Truecolor and FullHD
  SDCard
  SATA-Interface
 
  As price we target 500 Euro
 

I would be all for this, but I would also like to see USB added to the card.  With USB, you can then get wired ethernet. Save the SD for storage and use the SATA port for a CD.

I am in the US and I would pay the 500 Euro.

Please and thank you.



John William

Posts 563
19 Apr 2016 07:52


Amiga 4Life wrote:

@Captain Zalo
 
  (just opinion)
  keep in mind that the classic community is weak right now..these apollo cards are restoring interest
  ,faith,understanding,,recognition (fastest fpga cpu), allowing coders to build a software base for a
  better cpu core/Saga, attracting new/ returning Amigans to the next level in the amiga concept,increasing
  Apollo cpu sales....(this is preparing the market for standalone board)...
 
  It may be easier/cheaper to get people to sell those amigas they have in storage and build from there...
  i'm willing to bet that there are at least 2,000+ classic amigas out here that are not being used.If you check
  ebay they are constantly being sold...the Apollo team has to get as many Apollo cpus on the desktop
  as fast as they can whether its in a classic or standalone system...
 
  classic Amiga respresents the retro arena...there is a market here and apollo cards will energize it.
  Apollo cards allow us to take an obsolete computer and make use of it by todays multimedia standards...
  it will give current users a 'sneak peek' on what Saga is, and can it go mainstream....
 
  A Super Apollo cpu card is going to rock the FPGA community..the fastest fpga cpu in the world...(only Amiga)...
 
  A standalone board requires marketing,adverting,new software,lots of resources...and then must
  turn out a profit.(if you want to be taken seriously)....
 
  Sales from the Apollo cards will give the team a better idea on the size of the community and a
  projection on a what standalone board might be able to do...

+((100*100)^100)*100=1.e+402


Amiga 4Life

Posts 101
19 Apr 2016 12:33


Lmao :D, sorry for the rambling....I'm just trying to sway users back to the retro zone...

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