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World Record ATARI FreeMiNT Kronos 68080-FPUpage  1 2 

Simo Koivukoski
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 263
11 Nov 2017 21:05



 
Gray bar = Atari Falcon 060@100mhz
Blue bar = Vampire V2 Gold 2.7 HardFPU
Green bar = Atari Falcon 030
Red bar = Vampire V2 Gold 2.0

 


Roman S.

Posts 108
11 Nov 2017 21:17


I thought the fastest Atari clone is a Coldfire-based FireBee, not some 060 machine... EXTERNAL LINK


Olivier Landemarre

Posts 22
11 Nov 2017 22:03


Roman S. wrote:

I thought the fastest Atari clone is a Coldfire-based FireBee, not some 060 machine... EXTERNAL LINK 

Except the coldfire test is done with coldfire compiled version, it is not 68K compatible. No old FPU 68K Atari software can run under coldfire unfortunately



Olivier Landemarre

Posts 22
11 Nov 2017 22:06


Simo Koivukoski wrote:


 
  Gray bar = Atari Falcon 060@100mhz
  Blue bar = Vampire V2 Gold 2.7 HardFPU
  Green bar = Atari Falcon 030
  Red bar = Vampire V2 Gold 2.0
 
 
 

Could we have the motherboard perf value? Could you send me the .ABH result? I think 68881 version should give the best result.

thanks



Simo Koivukoski
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 263
11 Nov 2017 22:45


Gold 2.7 HardFPU goal is a full HW cover of the 040/060 FPUs, that's why they gives the best result.


Stefan Niestegge

Posts 26
11 Nov 2017 23:29



This is AWESOME!

Is it possible to run Netsurf on your setup, Simo?
 
  With my Gold 2.5 core, all i get is a "this program
  needs an 68881 or higher FPU" message.


Simo Koivukoski
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 263
12 Nov 2017 09:08


Stefan Niestegge wrote:

 
  This is AWESOME!
 
  Is it possible to run Netsurf on your setup, Simo?
   
  With my Gold 2.5 core, all i get is a "this program
  needs an 68881 or higher FPU" message.
 

  Yes, Arti's NetSurf-nofpu build works for you: EXTERNAL LINK 
 


Stefan Niestegge

Posts 26
12 Nov 2017 17:36


Sorry,

i wanted to know if the ATARI build that hides in e:/applications/netsurf on my Amitari FreeMiNT works
on your machine with gold 2.7 hard-fpu...


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 650
12 Nov 2017 17:48


Build works, but TCP/IP stack under FreeMINT doesnt. It doesnt work with current Amiga net solutions, hope v4 boards onboard LAN will bring more peace and prosperity


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 650
12 Nov 2017 22:47


Roman S. wrote:

I thought the fastest Atari clone is a Coldfire-based FireBee, not some 060 machine... EXTERNAL LINK 

Not really, FireBee runs precompiled FreeMint for ColdFire (which isnt fully m68k compatibile sadly) and thus is in same position as Vampire - able to run just software that does not bang Atari chipset. So technically its no Atari, but is fastest FreeMint machine.

Its all academical, and and I doubt that due to 266Mhz freq. Vampire V4 cant compete to it. But once Vamp reaches 266Mhz, even FireBee will be down. Per clock, 080 is really excellent design.

And FireBee is built on same basis: ColdFire CPU + FPGA
Overview
EXTERNAL LINK  Product
EXTERNAL LINK 
  Coldfire 264MHz, 512MB RAM, 5 x USB, 128MB video- and special-RAM, CF, SD, 10/100Mbit, DVI-I, 2 serial ports, sound IN/OUT/MIC, RJ 12 (Atari keyboard and mouse), …, built-in rechargeable battery with TOS in ROM. 560eur


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 2953
12 Nov 2017 23:15


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

      Its all academical, and and I doubt that due to 266Mhz freq. Vampire V4 cant compete to it.
     

   
Vamp4 is faster than Coldfire in many areas but not in all.
   
Yes Coldfire ASIC is higher clocked.
But looking at clockrate can easily mislead you.
 
A Coldfire is not as good as 68060 or APOLLO - clock by clock.
Coldfire is very restricted in instruction length with disallowed many EA modes. This makes Coldfire often need several instructions doing the equivalent of one 68K instruction.
 
For example FPU:
68K you can use flexible instruction like the below:
  FADD.S #1.8,fp0
Easily adding an immediate float to a floating point register.
 
The Coldfire can because the harsh instruction length limit not encode this. The Coldfire will need to use several instruction to get to do an equivalent operation.
 
 
This example makes it easy to understand that in doing real work
even today the VAMP 2 is for many task already faster than the fastest 260 MHz Coldfires.

Both Vamp and Coldfire are on a similar speed level in many areas.
And both are strong enough to make light operating systems like ATARI TOS and AMIGA OS - fly super fast.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 650
13 Nov 2017 18:40


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

    Both Vamp and Coldfire are on a similar speed level in many areas.
    And both are strong enough to make light operating systems like ATARI TOS and AMIGA OS - fly super fast.
 

... And fastest MacOS :-)

  "Per clock, 080 is really excellent design."
 
  No doubt about it. I am delighted of per Mhz Apollo performance,
  its one of the highest ever seen. Problem is only we are not beyond 100Mhz. But one day ... :-)


Eric Gus

Posts 135
13 Nov 2017 20:05


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

    Both Vamp and Coldfire are on a similar speed level in many areas.
    And both are strong enough to make light operating systems like ATARI TOS and AMIGA OS - fly super fast.
   

 
  ... And fastest MacOS :-)
 
  "Per clock, 080 is really excellent design."
 
    No doubt about it. I am delighted of per Mhz Apollo performance,
    its one of the highest ever seen. Problem is only we are not beyond 100Mhz. But one day ... :-)

I'd still like one day to drop a Vampire in my Mac SE .. I bet that would be interesting..



Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 650
13 Nov 2017 21:04


eric gus wrote:
 
  I'd still like one day to drop a Vampire in my Mac SE .. I bet that would be interesting..
 

 
  Gunnar stated this in other thread
 
  "
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  For your info, SAGA does support ATARI hardware Planar GXF modes.
  This means you can display ATARI ST modes with SAGA.

 
  So I am intersted, is there a plan to support a bit more ATARI ST and Mac Classic HW features in v4 so machine becomes in Atari case - more ST compatibile then current Atari clones (would be great Atari factor!) and as Eric asks, a straightforward macOS Classic bootable with no emulation?
 
  Even I am Amigan with not much experience on TOS and MacOS, I respect the competition and am not to 16/32 bit era wars of supermacy. But would love to abuse Vamp to retro max!
 
  Note that ability to drop Vamp to Ataris and original Macs is dependable on space constrains and CPU connector.

Notable thing is that both Atari and Mac compatibility give not only retro feel, but enables some software otherwise unavail to Amiga.
 


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 2953
14 Nov 2017 13:17


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

So I am intersted, is there a plan to support a bit more ATARI ST and Mac Classic HW features in v4 so machine becomes in Atari case - more ST compatibile then current Atari clones (would be great Atari factor!) and as Eric asks, a straightforward macOS Classic bootable with no emulation?

Yes VAMP can run as ATARI ST.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 650
14 Nov 2017 15:43


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  Yes VAMP can run as ATARI ST.

With no core reflash? Great :-)


Thierry Atheist

Posts 573
14 Nov 2017 17:08


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
So I am intersted, is there a plan to support a bit more ATARI ST and Mac Classic HW features in v4 so machine becomes in Atari case - more ST compatibile then current Atari clones (would be great Atari factor!) and as Eric asks, a straightforward macOS Classic bootable with no emulation?

Even I am Amigan with not much experience on TOS and MacOS, I respect the competition and am not to 16/32 bit era wars of supermacy. But would love to abuse Vamp to retro max!
...

Notable thing is that both Atari and Mac compatibility give not only retro feel, but enables some software otherwise unavail to Amiga.


Too far down the road to think about, but NeXT would be the Cube!!!!

NOT ONLY does the Apollo Core (Vampire) create AMIGA continuity, but it can capture the ENTIRE retro market place too, in one package!!!!

And people complain about the sticker price!!!!!!


Account for Sale

Posts 194
14 Nov 2017 18:34


Thierry Atheist wrote:

Too far down the road to think about, but NeXT would be the Cube!!!!

AWESOME IDEA!!! :D :D :D


Vincent Rivière

Posts 76
14 Nov 2017 18:53


Simo Koivukoski wrote:

  Blue bar = Vampire V2 Gold 2.7 HardFPU

Glad to see FPU on Vampire, specially so fast :-D


Account for Sale

Posts 194
15 Nov 2017 08:38


Account for sale wrote:

 
Thierry Atheist wrote:

  Too far down the road to think about, but NeXT would be the Cube!!!!
 

 
  AWESOME IDEA!!! :D :D :D
 

 
  Hey, so at last I do some intended trolling, and it gets to stay? :p
 
  @Thierry
  NeXTSTEP requires a compatible 68040 MMU, so make up your mind on whether you care about it or not.

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