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Amiga 4Life

Posts 90
05 Jul 2021 14:54


Amazing....I'm buying both of them..I want my order delivered in the 1st batch...

sean sk wrote:

This happens all the time in the tech world. You buy something, and then not too much later, a newer model comes out. It's a fact of life.

They call it Product Evolution...more power, more features, better software... its amazing to see this happening on the classic platform in 2021....


Sean Sk

Posts 430
05 Jul 2021 14:55


Michael AMike wrote:

Sometimes I feel like I'm writing with a politician, that was a simple yes or no question. Will the new generation of Classic Apollo turbo cards also replicate the chipset in the FPGA, or will it still be possible to use the Amiga chipset to its full extent.  (like the V1200)

Hi Michael,

If you’re still able to use the Paula audio on the motherboard as well as RGB and the internal floppy drive then that would suggest that, yes, you can use the Amiga’s own chipset. And no doubt you’ll also be able to use your motherboards IDE, PCMCIA, serial, parallel and external floppy ports as well.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5481
05 Jul 2021 15:09


Michael AMike wrote:

    Sometimes I feel like I'm writing with a politician, that was a simple yes or no question. Will the new generation of Classic Apollo turbo cards also replicate the chipset in the FPGA, or will it still be possible to use the Amiga chipset to its full extent.  (like the V1200)
 

Its very hard to answer with YES and NO on a question where both options are valid.

The OR is logically wrong in your question.
 
Having the chipset in the card does NOT exclude using the Amiga chipset on the mainboard. You can have both.
 
Lets make a more simple example for you.
The indivision in fact uses parts Minimig chipset to recreate picture of the Amiga. When you use the indivision can you still use Amiga chipset - yes you can.


Michael AMike

Posts 150
05 Jul 2021 15:39


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Michael AMike wrote:

    Sometimes I feel like I'm writing with a politician, that was a simple yes or no question. Will the new generation of Classic Apollo turbo cards also replicate the chipset in the FPGA, or will it still be possible to use the Amiga chipset to its full extent.  (like the V1200)
 

   
  An OR is logically wrong in your question.
 
  Having the chipset in the card does NOT exclude using the Amiga chipset on the mainboard. You can have both.
 

Thanks for clarification.



Knight Stone

Posts 129
06 Jul 2021 00:40


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Knight Stone wrote:

  Is this the same FPGA that's used in the current V1200, or a larger one, as used in the V4SA?
 

 
  Firebird and Icedrake both use the larger FPGA as in the V4 (80KLE)
 

can i ask roughly, what the performance difference is, between a V2 and a V4 based card?

thanks




Eric Gus

Posts 455
06 Jul 2021 04:36


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

         
Michael AMike wrote:

              Sometimes I feel like I'm writing with a politician, that was a simple yes or no question. Will the new generation of Classic Apollo turbo cards also replicate the chipset in the FPGA, or will it still be possible to use the Amiga chipset to its full extent.  (like the V1200)
           

         
          Its very hard to answer with YES and NO on a question where both options are valid.
         
          The OR is logically wrong in your question.
           
          Having the chipset in the card does NOT exclude using the Amiga chipset on the mainboard. You can have both.
           
          Lets make a more simple example for you.
          The indivision in fact uses parts Minimig chipset to recreate picture of the Amiga. When you use the indivision can you still use Amiga chipset - yes you can.
         

         
        Hi Gunnar, Let me ask this as someone who shares the opposite view as Michael and prefers to have OCS,ECS and AGA / RTG to be over DIGITAL-VIDEO (like the V4SA does now) and has no need to use the original analog rgb/scart output on the amiga and would actually prefer to get rid that connection,. this also will be possible as well? I dont mind the original custom chips being fully replaced by their updated FPGA counterparts.. Would be nice to add modes like AGA and PAL display modes to my NTSC locked A500 that never originally had them as well as breaking the 512kb chip ram barrier that its currently hard-locked into by the old ntsc agnus and rev5 mobo design (its not an a500+)(I know many A1000 owners feel this pain as well). Booting from floppies is irrelevant to me as we have WHDLOAD and I do not really need parallel or serial ports. So can we interpret this as a possible yes as well?


Peter Weuffen

Posts 42
06 Jul 2021 08:47


ok where can i preorder a firebird and ice drake


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5481
06 Jul 2021 08:57


peter weuffen wrote:

ok where can i preorder a firebird and ice drake

EXTERNAL LINK


Marius Hov Lauritzen

Posts 9
06 Jul 2021 10:52


I'm curious about the V1200 path as I own the V600-II and V1200 regarding native Amiga video output.
This has been the major drawback for me all the time, because I'm so used to my A3000 and A4000 where switching between RTG and AGA happens automatically.

Does the introduction of the IceDrake mean that the V1200 never will get native Amiga video output?



Jamie Chapman

Posts 69
06 Jul 2021 13:19


This is not will we ever get a V3 core question, more will support and improvements continue for the existing v2 cards.

The A1200 cards have not long been produced and would hope that bug fixes will continue ? 


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5481
06 Jul 2021 15:06


Jamie Chapman wrote:

This is not will we ever get a V3 core question, more will support and improvements continue for the existing v2 cards.

For V500/V600 no major updates are planned right now.
Also as the FPGA on the V500 and V600 are very full major updates are very difficult.

 
Jamie Chapman wrote:

The A1200 cards have not long been produced and would hope that bug fixes will continue ? 

 
For V1200 for the near future 2 main updates are planned:
  - game compatibility fixes
  - Apollo Shield Support is planned

We will make a roadmap for the longer future.


Jamie Chapman

Posts 69
06 Jul 2021 19:15


Sorry I have been busy with life and have not kept up,  what is apollo shield ?


Christopher Stokes

Posts 15
06 Jul 2021 20:28


Jamie, check out this thread.

CLICK HERE


Cego 1200

Posts 43
07 Jul 2021 07:16


@Gunnar
 
  it is maybe a naive question to ask to you as the developer and producer of the new cards, but is there any major reason for me as a V1200 user to switch to the new cards?
 
  I am pretty much satisfied and if you keep the promises about the bugfixes i'll have the perfect accelerator card for my a1200.
As i am a big fan of emulators like SNES or GnNeo, i wonder if its realistic to expect a V1200 to perform well enough for those tasks.
  100MBit ethernet sounds nice though, but when it comes to ARNE, i wonder if the audio output will only be put out through DIGITAL-VIDEO or also the amiga audio jacks?
  AFAIK there are pins for audio in/out on the Trapdoor connector of the A1200.


Oliver Mohr

Posts 17
07 Jul 2021 09:02


Will the onboard IDE of the A1200 still work after installing the IceDrake?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5481
07 Jul 2021 09:26


Oliver Mohr wrote:

Will the onboard IDE of the A1200 still work after installing the IceDrake?

The IceDrake is today still in layout phase.
The current plan for IceDrake is to have 2 very fast controllers on itself - just like the Firebird has.

Whether its better to have 2 very fast controllers with DMA etc.
or 2 fast and 1 slow controller in the system ... we will need to evaluate when the card is done.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 5481
07 Jul 2021 10:43


Cego 1200 wrote:

@Gunnar
 
  it is maybe a naive question to ask to you as the developer and producer of the new cards, but is there any major reason for me as a V1200 user to switch to the new cards?

 
The V1200 is a very solid card.
And thanks to the performance of the 68080 CPU it outclasses every other accelerator.
I think many people are very happy with its performance.

Cego 1200 wrote:

As i am a big fan of emulators like SNES or GnNeo, i wonder if its realistic to expect a V1200 to perform well enough for those tasks.

The 68080 has in theory more than enough raw power.
As always the performance of such software does depend a lot on the "quality" of the tuning and "quality" of the coding.

In other words NEOGEO loading time depends on bad coding.
With rewrite this part NEOGEO could load games 5-10 times faster.
Also the emulation and game performance of both could be improved.

If you can motivate coders to help tune them, maybe a bounty?
Then getting them significantly faster is possible.

Cego 1200 wrote:

100MBit ethernet sounds nice though, but when it comes to ARNE, i wonder if the audio output will only be put out through DIGITAL-VIDEO or also the amiga audio jacks?

Audio will come over DIGITAL-VIDEO on the IceDrake and in addition port to connect an extra DAC is planned.




Knight Stone

Posts 129
09 Jul 2021 23:49


with VAT added, the A1200 card will be 540 Euro. for UK buyers. although the VAT preorders on the page, doesnt give a price, just XXXX

that's really getting up there in price.

How much faster than a V1200 is the new card?


Sean Sk

Posts 430
10 Jul 2021 03:47


I noticed on the pre-order page that the Kraken is also listed. Is that the card for the Amiga 4000?


Thomas Blatt

Posts 190
10 Jul 2021 06:32


Ich schreibe das mal auf Deutsch. Warum keine V4 für den Amiga 600? Immerhin war es der Amiga 600 mit der Vampire 2, der euch den Anfangserfolg gebracht hat. Ich bin da sehr enttäuscht von euch.

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