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Fabien B

Posts 22
01 Aug 2020 15:47


4 August 4PM CET



Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 647
03 Aug 2020 10:29


Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms.


Jamie Chapman

Posts 48
03 Aug 2020 10:34


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Jamie Chapman wrote:

  Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS
 

 
  In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious.
  Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit.
 
  Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem.

Don't want to get into an argument about this,  but Amikit do not distribute any files they shouldn't. Any files like this have to be supplied yourself.  Even if you are the opinion that cloanto etc should have the rights, they do



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4840
03 Aug 2020 11:19


Jamie Chapman wrote:

but Amikit do not distribute any files they shouldn't.

Yes this is my point.
While Amikit is nice looking with nice icons,
does not try to solve the main problem for the user.
 
The user has the problem to download some illegal kick rom,
or copy some kickrom from his old amiga,
or pay someone for maybe a pirated rom.
As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez.
 
Amikit goes the simple route - they leave the problem to the user.
This is no critic to Amikit. Amikit is nice.
But its clear that Coffin tries to solve a problem that Amikit avoids. So you can not even compare them.




Tim D

Posts 65
03 Aug 2020 13:37


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez.

This is not an excuse for Coffin to just include them anyway and act all "innocent"



Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4840
03 Aug 2020 13:49


Tim D wrote:

 
Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

    As today its not 100% clear if Hyperion or Cloanto have even any legal rights - one could even regard them as being all warez.
   

   
  This is not an excuse for Coffin to just include them anyway and act all "innocent"
 

 
I don't have the impression that Coffin plays innocent.
I have the impression that companies try to benefit from Amiga fans.
And that companies benefiting from this are responsible for all this mess.
 
 
In the light of this legal mess - Coffin appears to me like an Amiga fan selfdefence solution.
 
You can now argue that Robin Hood maybe was morally the good guy.
While legally he was a thief.
But even if he was a thief, I think everyone likes Robin Hood more than Hyperion.

Saying this, our way is not Coffin but Apollo-OS.
Because I think only Apollo-OS as legal new OS can solve this.


John William

Posts 466
03 Aug 2020 22:22


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Jamie Chapman wrote:

  Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS
 

 
  In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious.
  Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit.
 
  Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem.

Will Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>. Nothing I own in my V4 is illega. I have a real Amiga 500 with real kickstart 3.1. I simply using that for my V4 but taking the ROM out of my A500 and then poof. I have a legal copy of OS 3.9 and OS 3.5 so AmiKit is taking my OS and patching up from aminet and making it pweaty! So both Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>



Jamie Chapman

Posts 48
04 Aug 2020 12:52


John William wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
Jamie Chapman wrote:

    Amikit though does not have the highly dubious legal nature of coffinOS
   

   
  In my opinion, the real problem is that Hyperion and Cloanto are both dubious.
  Therefore with the current situation any solution using a product of them does inherited this dubiousity - including Amikit.
 
  Amikit is a nice product but it is not solving the main legal problem.
 

 
  Will Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>. Nothing I own in my V4 is illega. I have a real Amiga 500 with real kickstart 3.1. I simply using that for my V4 but taking the ROM out of my A500 and then poof. I have a legal copy of OS 3.9 and OS 3.5 so AmiKit is taking my OS and patching up from aminet and making it pweaty! So both Hyperion and Cloanto can <censor>
 

OS3.9 is another subject and does not relate to either cloanto or Hyperion


Artur Jarosik

Posts 57
04 Aug 2020 21:33


It's released!
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Eric Gus

Posts 412
04 Aug 2020 21:39


Does it actually come with a tcpip stack or do you still have to buy something like roadshow at an added cost?


Nik Jackson

Posts 3
04 Aug 2020 22:49


Nope, comes with the demo version, so you’ll have to purchase the full.


Vladimir Repcak

Posts 349
05 Aug 2020 06:00


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms.

So, would it work straight out of the box on top of preinstalled AROS in my V4 or would it kinda replace it (by adding those additional OS files they require)?

Just trying to figure out the use case here.

I must admit I don't fully understand the legal jungle between Cloanto/Hyperion, but I certainly extremely appreciate the full legality of open-source Aros.


Smartroad 78

Posts 67
05 Aug 2020 07:51


Vladimir Repcak wrote:

Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

  Amikit is heavily based on lots of patches and lowlevel stuff. Most of it not works with aros roms.

  So, would it work straight out of the box on top of preinstalled AROS in my V4 or would it kinda replace it (by adding those additional OS files they require)?
 
  Just trying to figure out the use case here.
 
  I must admit I don't fully understand the legal jungle between Cloanto/Hyperion, but I certainly extremely appreciate the full legality of open-source Aros.

From reading the install guide you'll need an a1200 3.1.x rom on the SD Card


Jamie Chapman

Posts 48
05 Aug 2020 12:56


Not cheap.  Wonder if He will do discounts  for people who own other versions


Michal Pietal

Posts 111
05 Aug 2020 19:52


No cheap?

What's cheap then?  X1000??


Joe Maroni

Posts 3
05 Aug 2020 20:44


Coffin OS is cheaper...well..what is better with AmiKit? I thought to buy it but seeing the price for the cheapest solution made me another decision...sorry...
something around 20 EUR or so wuld be fair..but 50 EUR ?

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