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Markus B

Posts 196
23 Sep 2019 12:25


I think it's a good idea to support the AROS development. I'd prefer the original AmigaOS implementation but I don't see any good chance that this will be sorted out anywhere in the future.

But there are more things to make the Vampire cards a larger success.

- OS that can be actively developed on an open source basis: AROS (check)
- SDK including a modern, well optmized compiler: open
- Nice application, hardware extensions, games etc: open
- Possibly much more ...

Maybe you should setup a system, which is driven by the community.
Once a month/quarter the user basis can decide, which projects or developers can be supported with the means created by your sales.
Either by providing free hardware to the developer or by funding a bounty or supporting via Patreon and similar.
I'd implement a policy that software development assisted by bounties must be open source, so that development doesn't get lost when someone loses interest.

The user basis is possibly connected to the sold items (you force registration anyway) and other users who are just interested and registered on your site. Users whith actual hardware may have more weight in the polls how to spend the money.

Something else to consider: 5 (out of an estimated retail price of 500) is just 1% of the revenue on the dealer side. Maybe more means are needed to seriously drive the development as roughly outlined by me previously.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4906
23 Sep 2019 21:14


wawa t wrote:

a good thing is a basic distribution as workbench was, which a user can extend to his expectations

Wawa regarding AROS.
I can succesfully run AROS Kick and boot with it a CF with AROS distro.
This works fine.

I tried booting with it AMIGA WB - but this CF was not recognized.
Any hints you can give me?


Wawa T

Posts 695
24 Sep 2019 08:11


you mean from full loaded wb? i never tried that and dont see a use case (afa_os?). i guess aros kick needs to be mapped and loaded as early as possible, if this works then all is fine.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4906
24 Sep 2019 08:16


wawa t wrote:

you mean from full loaded wb? i never tried that and dont see a use case (afa_os?).

The use case is very simple:
There are people having an existing AMIGA WB install on their disk.
Would be nice for them to be able to continue use it.

wawa t wrote:

i guess aros kick needs to be mapped and loaded as early as possible, if this works then all is fine.

If you Poweron the V4  - it wakes up with AROS Kick.
As AROS Kick is inside the mainboard.

Could you support us here?


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4906
24 Sep 2019 08:24


I can envision 2 use cases with AROS-KICK.

a) V4-SA comes with AROS-KICK inside and AROS-WB on Compact-Flash.
The AROS-WB should ideally be pre-installed with many tools and nice icons. Tools like RIVA for Videoplayback, or EAGLE for MP3 playback and WHDLOAD and many old AMIGA Demos for nostalgic fun.

b) V4-SA comes with AROS-KICK inside and people having an existing Amiga Workbench - might like to continue use it.
They might want to copy this to their new V4 and use it.
It would be great if this just works.

Can you help us to test this?


Mr Niding

Posts 448
24 Sep 2019 09:12


@Gunnar and wawa

I think if AROS came with pre-installed options, people like me will jump onto the AROS bandwagon more easily.

And that will increase the feedback stream of errors and performance issues. Ofcourse, the quality of feedback from a enduser like me is dubious, but atleast the volume will go up.

Good efforts!


Wawa T

Posts 695
24 Sep 2019 10:36


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

    The use case is very simple:
    There are people having an existing AMIGA WB install on their disk.
    Would be nice for them to be able to continue use it.
 

  you mean aros hosted on amiga os? but it would then carry on limitations of amiga os rather than replace the components with more advanced versions. if it was even possible it would be a mess
  and you would end up with the limitations of genuine kickstarts rather than getting rid of them. this is imho severly overcomplicating the issue.
 
the solution is already there, its afa os.
 

  Could you support us here?
 

  im not sure what i can do..


Wawa T

Posts 695
24 Sep 2019 10:40


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

  Can you help us to test this?
 

 
  im totally busy now. ill try to fin time to test soon i hope..
as i said the github repo to do that is set up.
  marlon is the admin there. ideally aros system istelf should be slick. additional software can be built alongside as it already is the case with contributions.
  whatever comes as binary contribution (with a valid license) can probably be added to binary repo, which someone like olaf could take care of.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 4906
24 Sep 2019 10:41


wawa t wrote:

    you mean aros hosted on amiga os?
 

 
No, I mean AROS native.
 
We can boot AROS WB - but some AROS experts joining us in IRC and answer some  questions will help us a lot.


Wawa T

Posts 695
24 Sep 2019 10:57


i can rejoin, grond/nixus gave me credentials way back but i dont find those. you might mail me..
w.tokarski(at)gmx.net


Nikos Tomatsidis

Posts 61
24 Sep 2019 12:34


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
wawa t wrote:

        you mean aros hosted on amiga os?
   

   
    No, I mean AROS native.
   
    We can boot AROS WB - but some AROS experts joining us in IRC and answer some  questions will help us a lot.
 

 
  I have used AROS a lot but not the 68k version. Your idea to use AROS Roms with Amiga workbench installations might be problematic.
  Some stuff will work, some not. The same have to be said about Amiga software with AROS system installation.
  At least AROS roms will be more compatible than AROS system.
 
  I will be important to say that AROS Rom is not recommended for People that want to run lot's of classic software but will be compatible with running 68k Games and what is tested to work.
  At the same time AROS is much more advanced and you will have a network stack, RTG, USB support and many others that AmigaOS 68k don't have out of the Box.
 


Wawa T

Posts 695
24 Sep 2019 15:26


nikos, why are you saying this?
 
  you are apparently making a lot of assumptions.
 
  as someone who actively tested aros m68k a lot i can say that the compatibility with amiga software is already not bad. and should certainly improve. actually afair it might even be possible to run workbench on aros. and the productivity software would be rather more compatible than games, contrary to what you assume.

anyway the whole point of m68k aros is keeping backwards compatibility and not an entirely different platform.
 


Nikos Tomatsidis

Posts 61
24 Sep 2019 16:17


Wawa: I'm a fan of AROS but I don't want to make false expectations. Sure AROS With Vampire can only improve regarding compatiblety with classic. It is already quite good. I did not say it will be bad at all. I did not say that workbench will not work With AROS roms cause I know it will! I said it might be problematic regarding software compatibility. 
          In the beginning I would recommend to use AROS roms and have a dual boot with AROS and AmigaOS 3.1
          As long as Whd-load Works we have covered most games. People can have the required, original roms in Devs:Kickstarts
       
        Is not that correct?
     
    I had at some point whd-load working With AROS 68k under emulation and most games worked good. It can only be better With Vampire as it is not emulated.
   
        I understand Vampire team can not have ready installed Amiga OS selling the units. How to solve a dual boot AROS, Amiga system might not be that easy. Should be a entry in Grub for selection, but how to set that up to be Nice and easy for users I don't know.
       
         
           


Wawa T

Posts 695
25 Sep 2019 09:14


@gunnar
if you ask about if you can boot coffin (or whatever the people have at hand) from aros kickstart, i doubt it. at least not out of the box i fear. but it might be possible to adapt bits and pieces from aros into amigaos to have it run upon aros kick.


Nikos Tomatsidis

Posts 61
25 Sep 2019 16:36


It would be cool to have some package installer with AROS to update the OS and to install, uninstall programs. I know MorphOS have a package installer. Maybe we could ask the autour there for a compile to AROS?


Wawa T

Posts 695
25 Sep 2019 19:48


there is installer and we have an open source installer replacement as well. (which is being built at amigaports along with aros68k.)


Wawa T

Posts 695
25 Sep 2019 19:49


@gunnar
  i see you have fixed the 8bit depth bug. seems to have been comited to main repo already. good job!


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1719
25 Sep 2019 20:42


wawa t wrote:

there is installer and we have an open source installer replacement as well. (which is being built at amigaports along with aros68k.)

Very nice Amiga Installer, but he thinks of Crunch or AmiUpdate kind-of-thing.

Maybe some extras web installer using e.g. AROS Archives EXTERNAL LINK 
I would love to have (if exist in m68k AROS form):

- Mplayer-1.0-v4 or better
- Cinnamon Writer + fonts
- Odyssey-1.16.1
- Boingiconbar1.0
- MuiMapparium 0.7+
- Yam29p1
- Wookiechat_aros_32bit_64bit_2_12beta14
- VAMP 2.0 or Riva
- Jabberwocky_v1_9b1
- Printer Preferences + Printerps
- ToolManager
- Marranotelnet 0.4
- Screenrecorder 1.1
- GrafX2 2.5
- wget + Zuluwget
- Avp
- Owb-r1468
- Clock 1.1
- AmiCloud
- All additional MUI Classess
- 10 best AROS themes and screenblankers by Wawa :)
- Freesynd
- NewsCoaster
- LilCalendar 1.0
- Lookhere21_aros
- LoView 2.9 / Picshow
- Ufoai-2.3.1
- Transmission + Toram
- Hurrican
- Rtcw
- Gigalomania
- Muibase
- Arkuz-v1.0
- Duke3dw
- Most recent SDL for AROS
- Bomberman Lan 2.0
- wheatherBar
- AnimWebConverter
- Dessert Stroke
- warzone2100
- Frontier Elite II GL version
- NetPong
- Lodepaint
- SQLMan
- exFAT and NTFS3G support built in
- All Datatypes
- DiskImage Device
- ZuneView
- ffmpeg-2.6
- AROS QUAKE 1.09
- MAME 0.113
- Quake3-1.32br2
- Hunos Joystick Lib Libhjw2.0
- HollyPaint 1.1 (Paint)
- RDesktop 1.6 with Ken Style Icons :)
- BigBand 1.1 (Composing)
- Povray 3.6.1 (Raytrace)
- xGalaga 2.1
- AraMp 1.1. (WarpAmp clone - mp3 player)
- PlayCDDA 1.4 (AHI CD player)
- Zsnes 1.51 (SNES emulator)
- ZunePaint
- VICE 1.20 (CBM 64 emulator)
- Freeciv
- Dvdauthor
- FUSE 1.0 (ZX48/128 emulator)
- StarGus
- HATARI 1.5 (Atari ST emulator)
- Aleona's Tales
- Lunapaint
- DGEN SDL (Sega Genesis/MegaDrive systems)
- Fheroes2
- Fceu 0.98.11  (Famicom/NES)
- Zod
- OpenBOR + DoubleDragonGold_1/2/3+Final Fight SE
- DOSBOX 0.73 (640K is enough!)
- SimCoupe 1.2 (SAM Coupe emulator)
- TinySID 0.9x (SID player)
- Schism Tracker (MOD Tracker)
- Hexen2
- Goat Tracker 2 (MOD Tracker)
- Milky Tracker 1.x (MOD Tracker)
- Hively Tracker 1.4 (MOD Tracker)
- ProTracker 4 Beta 2 /2.3d (MOD Tracker)
- WMWare :)
- Assault Cube v1.1
- Rtl8169 and Catweasel drivers just in case we get a PCI on next board
- E-UAE 0.8 for improved Amiga compatibility
- JanusUAE 1.4 for improved Amiga compatibility
- Final Burn Alpha
- FPSE 10.2 (SPS emulator)
- Wolf4sdl 1.6
- ADoom 3 Early Beta
- ET: Legacy
- KoboDeluxe 1.5
- Powermanga
- Worm Wars
- Comics! 0.5.1
- Megaglest-3.5.2
- gocr039
- Mountainview
- Gblanker
- DisplayInfo
- Zunefig
- Glmark
- Stream-memspeed
- Sortbench
- Pciutils (in caase we get PCI)
So maybe its AROS PPC/x64 to AROS m68k recompile bounty time?


Andrew Miller

Posts 229
25 Sep 2019 20:58


Glad to see that AROS is going to be used.
Hope you have enough production setup for the demand for the V4, could be very good timing being out before christmas and what with the popularity of retro type systems lately.

This has to end up more popular than the rest as it really an Amiga computer, but much faster and more capable, rather than an emulated or hardware copy of an old system that has the same performance as when it was originally released.

Oh, and when do you expect the shops to start having theirs available, now is the time for me to start planning on how to pay for one.
(Only just started fitting my V2 into my checkmate case, so that'll keep me going for a while)

Any plans for AROS on the V2's once the V4 is sorted? (not really sure how much extra work that'd be tbh)


Wawa T

Posts 695
25 Sep 2019 21:29


@Andrew Miller
i have v2 on an a600 courtesy of a team member here and already had aros running on it on occasions. the problem was booting it from pata, but when it got past it, it was actually working well.

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