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Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 647
22 Sep 2019 10:02


perhaps your experience with the sources is enough (if noone else of the limited number of aros developers is interested). For me it looks like it would be mostly coordination and perhaps some help to find the right sources if vampire developers are willing to actively help


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 647
22 Sep 2019 10:04


as Wawa said I were not actively involved in aros sources. I concentrated on building up a distro based on nightly. That is where I could help


Marian Nowicki
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22 Sep 2019 13:31



  Can you name some Applications are really "important" and are "PPC" only?
 

 
  MMU. 3D.
 
  Even if Vampire is best 68k accelerator there are still good reasons to use ppc.
 
  What is needed:
 
  MMU - may be just tool to catch null pointer access and protect first memory page.
 
  3D - PS1 performance will be ok, may be without perspective corrections in textures.
 


Wawa T

Posts 695
22 Sep 2019 17:16


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

wawa t wrote:

  Ideall have people join our slack.
 

  AROS works on V4-SA.
  We have compiled it and it runs.

have you tested it lately? i only test vith v2 a600. and i dont have newest release candidate core if this matters.


  There are a few things were it can be polished.
  Maybe the fastest way forward would be for today to "Fork" AROS Git,  brush up all we can as fast as possible and then provide the fixes back into AROS main.
 

EXTERNAL LINK  is alreeady a fork for 68k distro, forked from
EXTERNAL LINK 
so the infrastructure to develop a distro/fork is already in place. whoever wants to contribute simply needs to join.



Gunnar von Boehn
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Posts 4847
22 Sep 2019 17:40


wawa t wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
wawa t wrote:

  Ideall have people join our slack.
 

  AROS works on V4-SA.
  We have compiled it and it runs.
 

  have you tested it lately?

Yes we compiled AROS today.
We also added support for 11.5 MB Chipmem to Aros for V4.



Wawa T

Posts 695
22 Sep 2019 20:29


@gunnar
maybe when i have delivered on my deadline the coming weekend i can get back to testing vampire a bit. you can easily create a pull request for your changes to aros. ideally with the upstream aros-developer repo i think.
 


Wawa T

Posts 695
22 Sep 2019 20:30


there is some pressing issues with prefs to get them big endian compliant imho. and also the icon set, a task i have repeatedly taken on but got distracted by other issues.


Wawa T

Posts 695
22 Sep 2019 20:34


btw, gunnar, which source have you compiled? upstream arosdevelopment-team github?



Wawa T

Posts 695
22 Sep 2019 20:37


wawa t wrote:

@gunnar
you can easily create a pull request for your changes to aros. ideally with the upstream aros-developer repo i think.

nevermind, i see nick has commited it an hour ago.



Harold Joseph Neufeldt

Posts 4
26 May 2020 23:43


At Eric

This has taken me a long while to come up with an appropriate answer for your comments. A lot of things have happened since I first posted. One of the first things I've learned was that A-EON did not own the rights to the boards.  This was owned by by Varies. Trevor may have paid for the development,but never owned the rights to manufacture them. This belonged to Varisys.  Mathew Leaman purchased the rights to all the boards including the TX-4 boards. I have reason to believe this issue was one thing that held up the TABOR computer.  There is quite a back story behind this and I would need to do a separate post to explain everything.

Now about the hardware itself Yes they are expensive. Part of that is due to the terrible licensing agreement Trevor made with Ben Hermans. I'll need to do a separate post to explain that  as well.
About the capabilities of the boards i don't think you know quite what they can do.  A-EON has a distrp that is running Linux kernel 5.7 r6, Libre Office 6.4.1.1 Gimp 2.8.16 Mate 1.24 and other advanced software.  Hardware is not the problem here I would need to do a separate post to describe what A-EON is doing with Linux. I'm told that the combination I described above runs really well.

One thing I forgot to mention is that Mathew Leaman totally runs A-EON. Trevor has no say whatever in running A-EON. I could say a lot more but I'll leave it at this for now.

Harold


Eric Gus

Posts 415
27 May 2020 05:18


I appreciate the time to take to respond.. but honestly if I wanted to run Linux/OpenOffice there are far cheaper alternatives that are far more powerful and faster, heck I just tossed something into recycling that was far more powerful than any PPC NG Amiga is.. thats not really an incentive .. Sure I get it, boutique hardware in low volumes is expensive .. but honestly there has to be something there for me to want to spend the money and some kind of justified return for it, OS4 while nice has a very limited software *the old chicken and egg problem* .. again nothing here is a draw for me either, and running old 68k binaries you still have to run them in UAE on PPC on OS4, so whats the value there over an x86 PC I fish out of the dumpster and put the most modern / current Linux distro on it .. PPC was never really the official way forward .. it was just what happened after C= folded, OS4/PPC is not going to ever replace any contemporary computer as a daily driver machine, so it can't be used for day to day tasks for modern needs .. Im sure the people who have them enjoy them but I simply can not see any kind of valid justification in owning one other than to post on social media I own a PPC NG Amiga machine..


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1698
27 May 2020 15:58


Just short comment on PPC. Problem is not PPC en general, not a bad platform, its unavailiability of common and cheap hardware (something MOS bridged using old PPC Macs) and even more "underdevelopment" of OS4 and apps.
 
  MMU - Its there, AmigaOS4 has page file now, as partition, but nothing revolutionary. Neither I see having MMU has draw a lot of developers. Neither I am a coder, but from outside it looks like combo of hardly available hardware, no developer boards and tools-docs have kept software underdeveloped. No MMU helps here.
 
  3D - Backward warp3D compatibility requires more payment for additional drivers to Enhancer (bad idea) and Warp3D Nova is revolutionary on paper, but end products like Spencer are few and they arent so great.
 
  Linux shows hardware has potential to use - Firefox and Libre works nicely, but as long as 2011 development of Firefox and Libre for OS4 were announced and TW has ceased to exist while Libre is rarely mentioned, as well as OS 4.2
 
  So its not "PPC" as hardware, but as mentioned, series of bad and "badder" decisions.
 
  Comparing to OS4 advancements, having "chipset to bang" and real m68k looks more like what users always wanted.


Rod March

Posts 113
28 May 2020 05:22


For those interested in some of the reasons why 68080 may or may not ever get implemented in ASIC, here's an interesting link on the economics of custom ASICs.

EXTERNAL LINK


Samuel Crow

Posts 390
29 May 2020 05:44


Rod March wrote:

For those interested in some of the reasons why 68080 may or may not ever get implemented in ASIC, here's an interesting link on the economics of custom ASICs.
 
  EXTERNAL LINK 

Considering that the RasPi 3 was a 40 nM production process and yielded 1.3 GHz die, hope is only lost when the OS lacks flexibility and performance.  AmigaOS 3 is past EoL and AmigaOS 4 (as a counterpart to AROS for ARM) is effectively EoL itself.

In a nutshell, we need a new OS worse than more clock speed.  Maybe borrowing code from MiNT or Haiku under hosted AROS would yield a bigger boost than AROS alone.


Scott Jacobs

Posts 8
30 May 2020 14:38


Haiku.  Now THAT is interesting indeed.




Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 1698
30 May 2020 16:08


Scott jacobs wrote:

  Haiku.  Now THAT is interesting indeed.
 

 
  Its interesting to see Haiku has low priority m68k Amiga port, but it seems to be at 10% and needs a lot of love-work.
  EXTERNAL LINK 
Maybe once AROS m68k maturity era, this could be lightweight but modern alt OS of choice.
 


Samuel Crow

Posts 390
01 Jun 2020 13:00


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:
  Its interesting to see Haiku has low priority m68k Amiga port, but it seems to be at 10% and needs a lot of love-work.
  EXTERNAL LINK   
  Maybe once AROS m68k maturity era, this could be lightweight but modern alt OS of choice.

That chart hasn't been updated for years.  However, 128 Megs of RAM would be considered minimal at best for such an operating system.  A V4 would make a more attractive target with its 512 MB RAM.  The memory consumption might be optimizable with Vampire-specific memory protection unit support.


Gerardo González-Trejo

Posts 41
01 Jun 2020 14:31


AROS is currently much more stable than Haiku.  Haiku is great, but its NewOS based Kernel has limits too.

I trust 100% on AROS. Still can be widely optimized on its 68K/68K80 version.

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