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Jacek Rafal Tatko

Posts 19
06 Oct 2016 01:56


I'm definitely skipping the Vampire A500 & 600 ;
 
Cannot really say the same for a Vampire A1200
Count me in on this one ; ideally a really fast one
Price is ok if it can be E750 for a fast & 1k for top


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
06 Oct 2016 02:10


Jacek Rafal Tatko wrote:
Cannot really say the same for a Vampire A1200
Count me in on this one ; ideally a really fast one
Price is ok if it can be E750 for a fast & 1k for top

Hi Jacek,

I can't remember seeing the estimated price of an A1200 Vampire 2 anywhere.

However, it is estimated to be 500 Euro ($700 Canadian) for the standalone which will be 2 to 3 times as fast as the A600 and a500/2000 Amiga Vampire 2's!!

Additionally, the standalone will have 1 Gigabyte of RAM!!!!


Szyk Cech

Posts 191
06 Oct 2016 09:49


Is that true: Half of Amiga games will simply hang with 1GB of RAM?!?


Mark Smith

Posts 30
06 Oct 2016 12:21


It's probably just speculation, will have to untill the powers that be say "Here it is this is the board specs!:
Some people get a little over excited and post their dream configs :-)

My dream would be for the boards to come with a nice new Amiga OS hosted C compiler that supports all the extra instructions (because my assembler skills are pathetic)


Jacek Rafal Tatko

Posts 19
06 Oct 2016 12:36


Yes , E500 was what I read here somewhere ,
I was saying 750-1k for any speedier FPGA's
which I hope will also be available on orders .

Since I plan to buy once , I'd like to beef up ;)



Daniel Sevo

Posts 299
06 Oct 2016 15:26


The V1200 should be in the €300 ballpark. (assuming it stays on the Cyclone III FPGA)
  It costs a bit more than the V600 with its proprietary connector, faster (and more?) DDR3 RAM and possibly an expansion slot.
  I figure, the hardware differences alone will amount to at least +€50 over the V500/600 designs.
  But.. these are my personal estimates, guesses. I don't actually know...
 
  Anyhoo.. How about a small official update from someone inside the team about where we stand on the outsourced manufacturing and how it will affect release dates and supply?
  Pretty please?


Tango One

Posts 102
06 Oct 2016 16:42


Daniel Sevo wrote:

The V1200 should be in the €300 ballpark. (assuming it stays on the Cyclone III FPGA)
  It costs a bit more than the V600 with its proprietary connector, faster (and more?) DDR3 RAM and possibly an expansion slot.
  I figure, the hardware differences alone will amount to at least +€50 over the V500/600 designs.
  But.. these are my personal estimates, guesses. I don't actually know...
 
  Anyhoo.. How about a small official update from someone inside the team about where we stand on the outsourced manufacturing and how it will affect release dates and supply?
  Pretty please?

Since this ebay sale started the v500 have sold between 600-800 USD.
So hope we can have V1200 for 300 USD when availble but will dought it. But nice if we can have some updated info from the team.




Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
06 Oct 2016 19:52


Posted in wrong thread, I erased comment.


Ronnie Shortski

Posts 10
08 Oct 2016 14:29


yes 500 euro was mentioned in a thread, but since the apollo team has not officially mentioned a price somewhere, it stays a guess..i hope it stays below 500 euro.  i hope its somewhere between 300-400 euro max..so it stays affordable :)


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
08 Oct 2016 14:36


Ronnie Shortski wrote:

yes 500 euro was mentioned in a thread, but since the apollo team has not officially mentioned a price somewhere, it stays a guess..

Hi Ronnie,

Are you aware of what was supposed to be "500 Euro" in price? I mean, which item and what will be parts of it.

I do not remember seeing a price, or even a rumour of a price for a Vampire 2 that goes into an Amiga 1200.



Mo Retro

Posts 241
08 Oct 2016 14:46


Thierry Atheist wrote:

Ronnie Shortski wrote:

  yes 500 euro was mentioned in a thread, but since the apollo team has not officially mentioned a price somewhere, it stays a guess..

  Hi Ronnie,
 
  Are you aware of what was supposed to be "500 Euro" in price? I mean, which item and what will be parts of it.
 
  I do not remember seeing a price, or even a rumour of a price for a Vampire 2 that goes into an Amiga 1200.
 

The €500 price was stated in post for the standalone.
By Gunnar I think.



Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
08 Oct 2016 15:33


Mo Retro wrote:

The €500 price was stated in post for the standalone.
By Gunnar I think.

Hi Mo,

That's correct. I think that Ronnie doesn't know that.

It will not need anything from any old AMIGA computer that you own except for a copy of you ROM chip (or you need one from Amiga Forever).

1. It will use an Arria 10 FPGA that will work anywhere from 2 to 3 times as fast as current Apollo Core 68080 accelerator cards for the original AMIGAs. (Depends on how good the FPGA is. They haven't built one yet.)

2. It will have 1 gigabyte of RAM.

3. It will have a bigger instruction and data cache.

4. DIGITAL-VIDEO port

5. SD or microSD socket (at least 1)

6. USB (at least 1)

More than likely an Ethernet port.

Maybe a SATA port.

It will be the BEST AMIGA THAT EXISTS when they make it in probably 2017.


Mo Retro

Posts 241
08 Oct 2016 20:21


Thierry Atheist wrote:

Mo Retro wrote:

  The €500 price was stated in post for the standalone.
  By Gunnar I think.
 

 
  Hi Mo,
 
  That's correct. I think that Ronnie doesn't know that.
 
  It will not need anything from any old AMIGA computer that you own except for a copy of you ROM chip (or you need one from Amiga Forever).
 
  1. It will use an Arria 10 FPGA that will work anywhere from 2 to 3 times as fast as current Apollo Core 68080 accelerator cards for the original AMIGAs. (Depends on how good the FPGA is. They haven't built one yet.)
 
  2. It will have 1 gigabyte of RAM.
 
  3. It will have a bigger instruction and data cache.
 
  4. DIGITAL-VIDEO port
 
  5. SD or microSD socket (at least 1)
 
  6. USB (at least 1)
 
  More than likely an Ethernet port.
 
  Maybe a SATA port.
 
  It will be the BEST AMIGA THAT EXISTS when they make it in probably 2017.

Hi Thierry,

I've seen this standalone config in the forum.
With speeds like that it would be interesting to have the Gen OS's support the Vampire natively. A port of AmigaOS 4.1 and/or the Rock steady MorphOS would be the cherry on the cake :D

A lot things like USB, TCP/IP, etc.. would be supported natively.



Thorsten Kφster

Posts 2
09 Oct 2016 11:16


Amiga OS4.1 support would very well.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
09 Oct 2016 12:45


To prevent speculations.

We did dicuss here several option that we have for a new standalone.
What was re-posted here is one option of what we did discuss - it not sure that the board will look like this in fact.


Mo Retro

Posts 241
09 Oct 2016 13:17


Thorsten Köster wrote:

Amiga OS4.1 support would very well.

Is there native 68K support in Amiga OS 4.1?
I thought they did it in emulation.


Mo Retro

Posts 241
09 Oct 2016 13:22


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

To prevent speculations.
 
  We did dicuss here several option that we have for a new standalone.
  What was re-posted here is one option of what we did discuss - it not sure that the board will look like this in fact.

Hi Gunnar,
Can these discussed options be put in a new post for easy reference?
This would make it easier for future reference and additions.


Gunnar von Boehn
(Apollo Team Member)
Posts 6207
09 Oct 2016 13:41


Mo Retro wrote:

Thorsten Köster wrote:

  Amiga OS4.1 support would very well.
 

  Is there native 68K support in Amiga OS 4.1?
  I thought they did it in emulation.

There is _NO_ OS4 coming out for this.



Peter Heginbotham

Posts 214
09 Oct 2016 14:37


From a cost and design point of view would it not be easier to lift and shift the Vampire V2 600\500 to the V1200.

Start a Kickstarter fund to produce 1000-2000 Connectors

The for the V3 have a common design to add all the new features and chips


Roger Shimada

Posts 30
09 Oct 2016 17:46


Peter Heginbotham wrote:

Start a Kickstarter fund to produce 1000-2000 (A1200) Connectors

Majsta and the Apollo team do not seem to have any interest in crowdfunding, but perhaps this will change someday.

Tooling costs can be huge. For example, recently new DB-19s were produced. From EXTERNAL LINK 
"The estimated cost was eye-watering – a minimum order size of 10000 pieces and a total cost well into five figures (US dollars)."

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