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Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 17:30


Thierry Atheist wrote:
We're ALL even.

the usual mistake is to project an own worldview on others, trying to understand them and their actions. in fact you are exceptional, none of us others can actually compare to you.



John William

Posts 563
31 Oct 2017 17:32


Thierry Atheist wrote:

John William wrote:
Thierry Atheist have destroyed all his credibility of being taking seriously for a very long time now with his one single post concerning Hyperion.

  Want some universal truth, John?
 
  "Say enough stuff, and eventually everyone will hate you."
 
  So you ALSO have zero credibility too. We're ALL even.

Eh?...... O_o



Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:34


wawa t wrote:
the funny thing is, that the self proclaimed sole amiga successors come over to vampire stand, to beg for cooperation, not the other way around. especially after they repeatedly tried to ride the coattails of vampire under the condition, they dont need to deliver anything in return.

"not the other way around."
as in
"that the sole amiga *advanced classic HW* successors come over to Hyperion stand, to beg for cooperation,"?

Seriously, "beg"??? Quit with the rubbish posts, will ya?

Can you explain this "especially after they repeatedly tried to ride the coattails of vampire under the condition, they dont need to deliver anything in return." as I completely missed it, and I've read most of what's posted on this website.


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 17:35


wawa t wrote:

the funny thing is, that the self proclaimed sole amiga successors come over to vampire stand, to beg for cooperation, not the other way around. especially after they repeatedly tried to ride the coattails of vampire under the condition, they dont need to deliver anything in return.

I think that Hyperion sees the writing on the wall.  They are becoming irrelevant to most Amiga users so they are desperately looking for ways to capitalize on the Vampire's success.  It won't be long until there's a V5 or V6 Vampire that outperforms the X5000 and the Tabor.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:36


Steve Ferrell wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you Thierry, but I already own 3 legal copies of OS3.1.  One purchased thru H&P directly and the other two purchased from former Amiga users who auctioned their copies to me on eBay.

Well then, what's the problem? Why are you going on and on about something that you don't have to buy because you don't need?



Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:42


John William wrote:

Thierry Atheist wrote:

John William wrote:
Thierry Atheist have destroyed all his credibility of being taking seriously for a very long time now with his one single post concerning Hyperion.

Want some universal truth, John?

"Say enough stuff, and eventually everyone will hate you."

So you ALSO have zero credibility too. We're ALL even.

Eh?...... O_o


What's not to understand?

You've accused me of not having credibility, and I'm throwing it back at you because it definitely works both ways. You're going to meet people that'll build their WHOLE view of you based on ONE sentence. That's guaranteed. But eventually, you'll say a sentence they don't like, and then "you're out" with them.

To be darker still "we all hate each other". How's that grab you?


Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 17:42


Thierry Atheist wrote:

  as I completely missed it, and I've read most of what's posted on this website.

you are missing a lot, unfortunatelly. the story is not only being told here but also on other sites, like german language a1k forum, with the attendance of the involved parties, i may add. but then dont let "rubbish posts" disturb you too much-


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:52


Steve Ferrell wrote:
It won't be long until there's a V5 or V6 Vampire that outperforms the X5000 and the Tabor.

Using only one core, no currently made x86 computer will be able to emulate a Vampire with an Arria 10. Vampires do too much for them to handle!

And if Amiga Forever were "so great", no Vampires could be sold.

Vampire is in a field with no competition.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:54


wawa t wrote:
you are missing a lot, unfortunatelly. the story is not only being told here but also on other sites,

What? What story? I don't see it here. Were you there and observed "begging"???

How about filling me in?


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 18:06


Thierry Atheist wrote:

Steve Ferrell wrote:
Sorry to disappoint you Thierry, but I already own 3 legal copies of OS3.1.  One purchased thru H&P directly and the other two purchased from former Amiga users who auctioned their copies to me on eBay.

  Well then, what's the problem? Why are you going on and on about something that you don't have to buy because you don't need?
 

Look, I'm done responding to you and your psychotic, ADHD, OCD-laced postings.  Freedom of association is one of the things I treasure and it's wonderful that I don't have to associate with you.



Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 18:25


btw, on a current thread about the subject on a1k thor has confirmed that no backporting of os4 to 68k is attempted. he mentions os4 incompatibilities with the genuine system, dos packets as example. funny enough aros (68k) implements that and (again) keeps up the compatibility which os4 has given up.


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 18:48


wawa t wrote:

btw, on a current thread about the subject on a1k thor has confirmed that no backporting of os4 to 68k is attempted. he mentions os4 incompatibilities with the genuine system, dos packets as example. funny enough aros (68k) implements that and (again) keeps up the compatibility which os4 has given up.

That goes to confirm my belief that Hyperion doesn't have the expertise on board or under contract to write the drivers for A-Eon's hardware let alone the expertise to backport OS4 to 68K (or port an office suite and web browser).  Not having a 68K version of OS4 is actually a plus.  If we had to rely on Hyperion for a 68K Vampire OS it would never get any support and be wildly over priced.  We're much better off with an open source OS such as AROS.  Even extending OS3.1 by anyone outside of Hyperion is out of the question now that Hyperion has decided there's a profit to be made off of Vampire users and they threaten legal action on anyone who wants to attempt it.  What Hyperion fails to understand is that most Vampire users already own OS3.1 after having been Amiga fans for years.  So why do they think that classic owners looking to replace their aging or dead hardware are going to buy new copies of OS3.1 from them?  I think we see these kinds of business moves because there's an attorney at the head of Hyperion and not a software developer.  Can you imagine the shape that Apple would be in if it were run by attorneys?  Replace the word "Apple" in the previous sentence with the company of your choice for full effect.



Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
31 Oct 2017 18:50


I agree there to Wawa

all those programs are lost forever because Trevor is trying to prefinance development and get back the money from customers. Unfortunately he is not financing improving existing 68k software but porting to PPC, 68k juat for raising money, Unfortunately this model will not work in my view because only few users left willing to buy software. His main interest is selling his expensive PPC hardware and he tries to do that by financing PPC software. That model is not helping the 68k platform and only few 68k users will be willing software with no improvements just to show "support" with vague promises of future versions. I did that with Personal Paint and will not do that again...


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
31 Oct 2017 19:01


it was always obvious that Hyperion is not interested in the 68k market, for them amigans were only potential buyers for the expensive PPC hardware. Propably they understand that there is indeed a big 68k market but I doubt that they have the resources to backport 4.X even if they wanted. They propably also have contracts with a-eon regarding 4.X on PPC and difficulties to fullfil that contracts. Regarding attorney, Bill Gates studied law and made clever contracts with IBM. It not always harms ;) what not means that I want to compare someone with Bill Gates


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 19:02


Steve Ferrell wrote:
That goes to confirm my belief that Hyperion doesn't have the expertise on board or under contract to write the drivers for A-Eon's hardware let alone the expertise to backport OS4 to 68K (or port an office suite and web browser). Not having a 68K version of OS4 is actually a plus.

I guess you didn't see the picture of what they wanted to write in 68K. They aren't going to create AOS4.x in 68K, but track down and eliminate some bugs and generally enhance it.

We don't need a revision of AOS, but improvements that unlock the new CPU and custom chipset features.
Steve Ferrell wrote:
If we had to rely on Hyperion for a 68K Vampire OS it would never get any support and be wildly over priced.

You have no idea how much they would charge for it. What would you consider reasonable, and what would be overpriced?
Steve Ferrell wrote:
We're much better off with an open source OS such as AROS.

No, no we aren't.
Steve Ferrell wrote:
So why do they think that classic owners looking to replace their aging or dead hardware are going to buy new copies of OS3.1 from them?

All of them aren't going to quit using their old computers too.

If a V2 or V4 is put into an Amiga, then using the OS that's there already is no problem.
Steve Ferrell wrote:
I think we see these kinds of business moves because there's an attorney at the head of Hyperion and not a software developer.

Most companies don't have a software developer in the top position.


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
31 Oct 2017 19:05


Thierry you have no clue what you are talking about... you must not flood every amiga forum worldwide. If ONE user has more than 50% of all posts it nerves

If everything is easy then explain it to Thomas, he is certainly interested to know about it


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 19:10


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:

  it was always obvious that Hyperion is not interested in the 68k market, for them amigans were only potential buyers for the expensive PPC hardware. Propably they understand that there is indeed a big 68k market but I doubt that they have the resources to backport 4.X even if they wanted. They propably also have contracts with a-eon regarding 4.X on PPC and difficulties to fullfil that contracts. Regarding attorney, Bill Gates studied law and made clever contracts with IBM. It not always harms ;) what not means that I want to compare someone with Bill Gates
 

 
Yes, Bill gates was a smart negotiator and understood all the legal ins and outs, but he was a coder first and foremost.  And Apple was headed by Steve Jobs, also not an attorney, but someone who was a great hardware and software innovator.  Great law firms are founded and headed by great attorneys.  Great software and hardware firms are founded and run by engineers and software developers. Ben Hermans is neither a great attorney nor a great software developer so we're left looking at OS4 in all its glory.
 


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 19:11


Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
Thierry you have no clue what you are talking about...

Please be more specific.
Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
If everything is easy then explain it to Thomas, he is certainly interested to know about it

What part was I saying was "easy"?


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 19:15


Steve Ferrell wrote:
Ben Hermans is neither a great attorney nor a great software developer so we're left looking at OS4 in all its glory.

It's highly unlikely that Ben Hermans played almost any part in defining what AOS4.x does and doesn't do. And he didn't tell them what to code in C and what in assembler either.

So, what exactly did he do to wreck AOS4.x?


Olaf Schoenweiss

Posts 690
31 Oct 2017 19:15


"We don't need a revision of AOS, but improvements that unlock the new CPU and custom chipset features."

Where do you have that? Certainly not from Thor

unlock custom chipset features and CPU... you must rewrite parts of the OS to "unlock", there is no intention from Hyperion to do that, even Thor (Thomas) is critical regarding Apollo specific features. There were a lot of discussions regarding that in past. At best they implement what they already own and fix bugs, not more or less

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