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Ian Parsons

Posts 230
31 Oct 2017 06:17


To be fair to Hyperion there's probably not much money to be made on OS4 development. How do you contract developers to do work if at the end of it you are only going to sell a few hundred or less copies of the OS or if it's a free upgrade make no money. Presumably most sales are licensed copies installed on new AmigaOnes at the time they are sold. I don't know what the AmigaOne sales are like or how much the OS4 licence is but I doubt it's enough to employ any full time developers. So Hyperion may need developers to work on it as a spare time hobby and make nominal payments for the work when/if it gets done.

Adding PPC support to UAE (done because Toni Wilen got paid to do it as I understand it) and hence to A.L.I.C.E finally allows OS4 to break free from the AmigaOne hardware so now you can run it on a $500 laptop, all be it only at emulated performance. I'm not expecting Phake 5 to actually make any working PPC cards (beware of pre-ordering) so the big hope for OS4 harware must be Tabor but that's been held up for two years already waiting for Hyperion to port OS4. OS4 was finally booting on Tabor at Amiwest but still lacks drivers, is there money to develop them? How much has A-eon already paid?

Signs of life on Amiga OS3.1 development can only be a good thing as AROS 68k development has gone quiet again and these are the only two options for the Vampire other than messy patching.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
31 Oct 2017 07:04


Ian Parsons wrote:

  Signs of life on Amiga OS3.1 development can only be a good thing as AROS 68k development has gone quiet again and these are the only two options for the Vampire other than messy patching.
 

 
  Ah, self-fullfiling prophecies!
 
  At one hand, not that it is OS 4.0 backported, but OS 3.1 bugfixed is road ahead, too. Just to make a life a bit easier.
 
  Nagsayer saying Vamp didnt invoke any app development, can now have
  "Vampirization of AmigaOS" as contra-argument >:-)
 
  I wonder what happened to AmiStore and Enhancer 68k plans.
  In the end they might mix and slapstick something to sell.
 
 
  "In line with our aim to support both 68k and PowerPC users, versions of the Enhancer Software package will be available for both platforms. However, some applications and utilities will be PowerPC or 68k specific and will be supplied in the appropriate in the Enhancer Soft-ware package. The Enhancer Software package will be available from AMIStore and participating Amiga dealers."
 


Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 09:20



 
 
Steve Ferrell wrote:

    2007 -- SMP promised
    2007 -- Office Suite promised
    2007 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x1000
    2015 -- Audio & NIC drivers for TABOR and FPU support
    2016 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x5000
 

if this was just everything..
recall their gallium mpromise? aros has this ported by a single person. after years they are still working on it without any effect. not to talk of previous similar project they announced and never mentioned again. now aeon has lost patience and had warp3d replacement developed to at least close the gap..

recall the firefox port disaster? ok, this is supposed to be provate project by os4 coders, but its been supposed to introduce new technologies to os4. recall them bashing odxssey and morphos at the same time. what are they using now?

remember netbook? this goes on and on..

of whatever project they have engaded on they either failed completly and never admitted, delivered some buggy and incomplete excuse or let some third party do it to have trusty followers credit them with it.

so it is currently the same case.




Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 09:33


Ian Parsons wrote:

  How do you contract developers to do work if at the end of it you are only going to sell a few hundred or less copies of the OS or if it's a free upgrade make no money.

talk is the devs dont get paid either way. olaf and thor probably have been promissed royalties if anything.

lets get real. hyperion doesnt produce money. they cant pay what they dont earn, so all that talk of this being commercial development on part of employed coders finally taking off, just because someone calls themselves "a company" is likely worthless.


  Adding PPC support to UAE (done because Toni Wilen got paid to do it as I understand it)

toni added the ppc to emulation for completeness and because its his pet project and he does what interests him technically, never heard him being substantially paid for it except maybe some members donations. then they cashed on it and on the interest of the people releasing os4.1fe not as update but a full install. now they try to sell some pc hardware with it.


Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 09:35


  I wonder what happened to AmiStore and Enhancer 68k plans.

lol. wanna buy another copy of ppaint with added brashes? to support the platform, i may remind you..


Kolbjørn Barmen
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Posts 219/ 2
31 Oct 2017 09:41


wawa t wrote:

  toni added the ppc to emulation for completeness and because its his pet project and he does what interests him technically, never heard him being substantially paid for it except maybe some members donations.
 

 
  The main reason ppc emulation was added was because Toni realised that the work was already done by Qemu, and plugging it in turned out to be much easier than he anticipated. Nothing else.


Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
31 Oct 2017 12:03


wawa t wrote:

  lol. wanna buy another copy of ppaint with added brashes? to support the platform, i may remind you..

Well, meanwhile they do own Octamed, ImageFX and Alladin 4D I would prefer to see more then useless AmiStore and Enhancer.



Peter Heginbotham

Posts 214
31 Oct 2017 12:18


given that OS 3.x development stream was dead & buried,any improvement should be seen as a postive.




Vojin Vidanovic

Posts 770
31 Oct 2017 12:41


Peter Heginbotham wrote:

  given that OS 3.x development stream was dead & buried,any improvement should be seen as a postive.
 

 
  Arrgr! Another case of vamparization. First A600, then A500-1000-2000, now AmigaOS :-)
 


Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 15:16


Vojin Vidanovic wrote:

  Well, meanwhile they do own Octamed, ImageFX and Alladin 4D I would prefer to see more then useless AmiStore and Enhancer.
 

 
  im sorry to say, but i believe all these titles are lost. if they were open sourced the code at least would be preserved, be it on aminet or else, and maybe even someone as dumb as myself would try to compile it themselves. as it stands now the code has been locked away from potential contributorsto gather dust on a drive in someones attic, because hardly anyone will step forward to satisfy professional demands of maintanance such code would demand to make any comerial release sensible.


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 16:39


wawa t wrote:

   
   
Steve Ferrell wrote:

    2007 -- SMP promised
    2007 -- Office Suite promised
    2007 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x1000
    2015 -- Audio & NIC drivers for TABOR and FPU support
    2016 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x5000
 

 
  if this was just everything..
  recall their gallium mpromise? aros has this ported by a single person. after years they are still working on it without any effect. not to talk of previous similar project they announced and never mentioned again. now aeon has lost patience and had warp3d replacement developed to at least close the gap..
 
  recall the firefox port disaster? ok, this is supposed to be provate project by os4 coders, but its been supposed to introduce new technologies to os4. recall them bashing odxssey and morphos at the same time. what are they using now?
 
  remember netbook? this goes on and on..
 
  of whatever project they have engaded on they either failed completly and never admitted, delivered some buggy and incomplete excuse or let some third party do it to have trusty followers credit them with it.
 
  so it is currently the same case.
 
 

No, I haven't forgotten about those other items.  I was in a hurry and just touched on the highlights in my earlier post.  Thanks for mentioning the other fails by Hyperion that many here may have not been aware of. What baffles me is why would anyone trust Hyperion at this point or claim that they've done a good job?

I like to refer to Hyperion as being known for it's D-squared capabilities.....Deceit and debacle.




John William

Posts 563
31 Oct 2017 16:51


Steve Ferrell wrote:

wawa t wrote:

 
   
   
Steve Ferrell wrote:

      2007 -- SMP promised
      2007 -- Office Suite promised
      2007 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x1000
      2015 -- Audio & NIC drivers for TABOR and FPU support
      2016 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x5000
   

 
  if this was just everything..
  recall their gallium mpromise? aros has this ported by a single person. after years they are still working on it without any effect. not to talk of previous similar project they announced and never mentioned again. now aeon has lost patience and had warp3d replacement developed to at least close the gap..
 
  recall the firefox port disaster? ok, this is supposed to be provate project by os4 coders, but its been supposed to introduce new technologies to os4. recall them bashing odxssey and morphos at the same time. what are they using now?
 
  remember netbook? this goes on and on..
 
  of whatever project they have engaded on they either failed completly and never admitted, delivered some buggy and incomplete excuse or let some third party do it to have trusty followers credit them with it.
 
  so it is currently the same case.
 
 
 

 
  No, I haven't forgotten about those other items.  I was in a hurry and just touched on the highlights in my earlier post.  Thanks for mentioning the other fails by Hyperion that many here may have not been aware of. What baffles me is why would anyone trust Hyperion at this point or claim that they've done a good job?
 
  I like to refer to Hyperion as being known for it's D-squared capabilities.....Deceit and debacle.
 
 

DAMN! I enjoy reading your post. Your the only one who actually get my attention without me skipping through lines of text. I guess the way you type and the subject that attracted my undivided attention.

I knew it. Posting in form is like writing a tiny novel, you need to have a proper subject and good writing method to attract the audience to wanting to read your mini novel. Throwing exclamation marks everywhere with capitalization will distract your audience and many will think the writer is a 6 year old that need to be taught into English class.

But back to your content, yes I agree that Hyperion failed in all regard. Can you believe it that if I had 3,000 dollars to spend it anywhere I want include just burning it in a torch I would find buying a PPC Amiga with Amiga OS 4.x more difficult than just burning a 3,000 dollars with a torch.

I just cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot get myself to owning an AmigaOS 4.x PPC hardware. I even have the Amiga OS 4.x final edition for classic and my laptop can boot it in WinUAE and I have it installed and not used after I tried it for half an hour and after it's release until now.

The only time I may consider using AmigaOS 4.x if it is a free ISO download that can run into my iBook G4 laptop and that is only for the purpose of fiddling around a little bit, but in the end i would return back to MacOS x.



Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 17:00


m rickan wrote:

Thierry Atheist wrote:

  If they sell enough of these, it will more than likely lead to them making a 68080 enhanced version...
 

 
  Despite protests to the contrary, having Hyperion as an active participant in the Vampire realm is definitely a good thing - regardless of what you think of the company or their products.

Active participants?  Seriously!?  This is where I will strongly disagree with you.  Hyperion is once again playing the part of opportunist just as they did with P96 and the Amiga Kickstart ROMs.  They will contribute absolutely nothing.  Their only goal is to squeeze some cash from Vampire owners and nearly every update/patch that they're claiming they will provide with THEIR version of OS3.1 are already available on the net or aren't even necessary on the Vampire.



John William

Posts 563
31 Oct 2017 17:04


Steve Ferrell wrote:

m rickan wrote:

 
Thierry Atheist wrote:

    If they sell enough of these, it will more than likely lead to them making a 68080 enhanced version...
 

 
  Despite protests to the contrary, having Hyperion as an active participant in the Vampire realm is definitely a good thing - regardless of what you think of the company or their products.
 

 
  Active participants?  Seriously!?  This is where I will strongly disagree with you.  Hyperion is once again playing the part of opportunist just as they did with P96 and the Amiga Kickstart ROMs.  They will contribute absolutely nothing.  Their only goal is to squeeze some cash from Vampire owners and nearly every update/patch that they're claiming they will provide with THEIR version of OS3.1 are already available on the net or aren't even necessary on the Vampire.
 

Thierry Atheist have destroyed all his credibility of being taking seriously for a very long time now with his one single post concerning Hyperion. The sad part is he truly believe it and think Hyperion is the best thing that ever happened to the Amiga community.


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:08


John William wrote:
I knew it. Posting in form is like writing a tiny novel, you need to have a proper subject and good writing method to attract the audience to wanting to read your mini novel. Throwing exclamation marks everywhere with capitalization will distract your audience and many will think the writer is a 6 year old that need to be taught into English class.

Hi John,

Then we have in common that we both despise most computer programming languages that are out there!!!!!


Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:12


Steve Ferrell wrote:
Active participants? Seriously!? This is where I will strongly disagree with you. Hyperion is once again playing the part of opportunist just as they did with P96 and the Amiga Kickstart ROMs. They will contribute absolutely nothing. Their only goal is to squeeze some cash from Vampire owners and nearly every update/patch that they're claiming they will provide with THEIR version of OS3.1 are already available on the net or aren't even necessary on the Vampire.

So Steve Ferrell, your beef with Hyperion is that you have to BUY something. You just want things for FREE. You're just a crook, a thief I take it then? Both even.


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 17:17


John William wrote:

Steve Ferrell wrote:

 
wawa t wrote:

 
     
     
Steve Ferrell wrote:

      2007 -- SMP promised
      2007 -- Office Suite promised
      2007 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x1000
      2015 -- Audio & NIC drivers for TABOR and FPU support
      2016 -- Audio & NIC drivers for the x5000
   

   
    if this was just everything..
    recall their gallium mpromise? aros has this ported by a single person. after years they are still working on it without any effect. not to talk of previous similar project they announced and never mentioned again. now aeon has lost patience and had warp3d replacement developed to at least close the gap..
   
    recall the firefox port disaster? ok, this is supposed to be provate project by os4 coders, but its been supposed to introduce new technologies to os4. recall them bashing odxssey and morphos at the same time. what are they using now?
   
    remember netbook? this goes on and on..
   
    of whatever project they have engaded on they either failed completly and never admitted, delivered some buggy and incomplete excuse or let some third party do it to have trusty followers credit them with it.
   
    so it is currently the same case.
   
   
 

 
  No, I haven't forgotten about those other items.  I was in a hurry and just touched on the highlights in my earlier post.  Thanks for mentioning the other fails by Hyperion that many here may have not been aware of. What baffles me is why would anyone trust Hyperion at this point or claim that they've done a good job?
 
  I like to refer to Hyperion as being known for it's D-squared capabilities.....Deceit and debacle.
 
 
 

 
  DAMN! I enjoy reading your post. Your the only one who actually get my attention without me skipping through lines of text. I guess the way you type and the subject that attracted my undivided attention.
 
  I knew it. Posting in form is like writing a tiny novel, you need to have a proper subject and good writing method to attract the audience to wanting to read your mini novel. Throwing exclamation marks everywhere with capitalization will distract your audience and many will think the writer is a 6 year old that need to be taught into English class.
 
  But back to your content, yes I agree that Hyperion failed in all regard. Can you believe it that if I had 3,000 dollars to spend it anywhere I want include just burning it in a torch I would find buying a PPC Amiga with Amiga OS 4.x more difficult than just burning a 3,000 dollars with a torch.
 
  I just cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot get myself to owning an AmigaOS 4.x PPC hardware. I even have the Amiga OS 4.x final edition for classic and my laptop can boot it in WinUAE and I have it installed and not used after I tried it for half an hour and after it's release until now.
 
  The only time I may consider using AmigaOS 4.x if it is a free ISO download that can run into my iBook G4 laptop and that is only for the purpose of fiddling around a little bit, but in the end i would return back to MacOS x.
 

Thanks for the kind words.  I made the mistake of buying a copy of OS4 for my PegII back in 2007 after a 15-year Amiga hiatus.  Thankfully, back in those days the hardware/software investment was less than $1000, so the disappointment factor was considerably less than that of someone today who lays down 3 times that amount only to find out what a dog they've purchased.  I could have overlooked many of OS4's shortcomings had there been any useful software available, or had Hyperion at least followed thru on their promise of a decent web browser and an office suite.  Three years later it became apparent to me that Hyperion had no intention of supporting their own product or abiding by their promises so I sold my PegII system and was glad to see it go because it had become an expensive paperweight. Over this 10-year period I've watched each and every debacle initiated by Hyperion and wonder how many other people got burned by them.  I would think at this point that even A-Eon is having buyer's regret for having bailed Hyperion out of its financial mess.  A-Eon would have been much better off to have let Hyperion go into receivership and bought the rights to OS4 and cut all ties with Hyperion.



Thierry Atheist

Posts 644
31 Oct 2017 17:17


John William wrote:
Thierry Atheist have destroyed all his credibility of being taking seriously for a very long time now with his one single post concerning Hyperion.

Want some universal truth, John?

"Say enough stuff, and eventually everyone will hate you."

So you ALSO have zero credibility too. We're ALL even.


Steve Ferrell

Posts 424
31 Oct 2017 17:20


Thierry Atheist wrote:

Steve Ferrell wrote:
Active participants? Seriously!? This is where I will strongly disagree with you. Hyperion is once again playing the part of opportunist just as they did with P96 and the Amiga Kickstart ROMs. They will contribute absolutely nothing. Their only goal is to squeeze some cash from Vampire owners and nearly every update/patch that they're claiming they will provide with THEIR version of OS3.1 are already available on the net or aren't even necessary on the Vampire.

  So Steve Ferrell, your beef with Hyperion is that you have to BUY something. You just want things for FREE. You're just a crook, a thief I take it then? Both even.

Sorry to disappoint you Thierry, but I already own 3 legal copies of OS3.1.  One purchased thru H&P directly and the other two purchased from former Amiga users who auctioned their copies to me on eBay.




Wawa T

Posts 695
31 Oct 2017 17:26


the funny thing is, that the self proclaimed sole amiga successors come over to vampire stand, to beg for cooperation, not the other way around. especially after they repeatedly tried to ride the coattails of vampire under the condition, they dont need to deliver anything in return.

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